Rocky Mountain Football League

Kicker13 · Senior Member

What would you do??

Stogs · Veteran Member

You're on a great AAA team with a long tradition. Your final home game of the season you lose with 18 guys. You're slated to travel to Utah for the 3rd time (not to mention a trip to Great Falls) and only 12 guys commit to travel to play the game. So the game is cancelled. Your team folds up. There is not enough commited players to continue having this team. So your team folds. All your buddies you've been playing with for the last 9 years are trying to decide what to do. They just want to play football together. You immediatly contact another local team and commit to them. They are AA. You play flag football with a group of these guys even. Practice begins in Nov/Dec. You attend practices. Then the league meeting hits in Feb. They say only 5 of the 14 guys from your previous team can join this team to play. After what I can only assume is a lot of talks the number increases to 10. You're not a starter at any position. But a backup at several positions. Probably not going to make a big impact for this team, just provide depth. Now it's March and you're told that only 10 of you can play with the team you've committed to since November. What would you do?

Go play for another local team (Matadors, Lancers, Guardians)?? These are the same teams that voted for this rule that is stopping you from playing with your friends.

Go play in the WIFL?

Sit out a year?

What would you do in this situation?

Be mad at the league for the rule? Be mad at the coach for thinking you're not "top 10"?

Thoughts?

Stogs

Uno Siete · Senior Member

It's Idaho. Nobody cares what you scrubs do.

tom bennett · Veteran Member

Brian,
Let me start by saying I voted no on Jerry's proposal. But it was not personal towards anyone on the team. I voted on what I thought was best for the league as a whole. We can argue about it all day, but I'm not going to go there. What's done is done. Now you know I have personally invited you to play for us, and you could start for us at two positions right now. I also told Todd Rietman that any of the other players in the same boat as you, are welcome as well. I told you to think long term and be a part of building something special. I empathize with your position and I know it sucks. But if it were me, I would go where I was going to play and have an impact with somebody. It might mean swallowing some pride, but at least you get to play the sport you love. Give it chance, if you don't like it, I'll release you next year to go back to the Generals. No strings attached. You asked what I would do. Well, there it is.

Tom Bennett

ZJOCKO · Member

Stogs,
I vote that you are not allowed to play... Unless it is on my team... Then it's totally cool!!!

KytoKhouang · Senior Member

Stogs,

I feel for you. Why do I feel for you? Because to be honest, I love the Roughriders. I enjoy Jocko, Cam, You, Dane, and Todd. I consider you guys my friends..

What would I do?

I'd ask questions to a lot of different people. But I would not put blame on the GMs who voted for the rule or the league...

Let's start with this:

1. You guys went to the Generals back in November you said, so if I was Jerry, I probably would've taken note of how many of former AAA Spartan players I was getting, and I'd probably be on the phone with other GMs and the league staff. Why? To cover all my basis. Chances are if any AA teams may potentially get 5+ AAA players, solid AAA players, other AA teams will probably throw a fit.

2. Maybe worrying about being one league was the biggest concern for the Generals? I don't know, but that's all I could see from past posts. Well, the big league failed, didn't pass. Now what?

3. Some AA teams get hammered so much on here by the likes of maybe myself and others, they don't feel there is a difference between AA/AAA until the two divisions do collide. Wait, AAA playoff Spartans are going to join a AA team? Wait, AA Champion Blaze may join another AA team? WAIT!? I thought there wasnt a big difference anyways? You see what I'm saying?

As a GM I would've prepared myself for all situations. One that would've looked at the bigger picture for all you guys. If you guys, all of you guys 5, 10, 15 or whatever the number would've benefited me, I would've looked at the bigger picture. I would've known that people would've brought up the AA/AAA debate.

At the end of the day, it sucks. I feel bad for you. I would be pretty upset if I couldn't play with my friends either. Remember though, had the Generals been AAA, that rule would not be in effect. Just saying.

It all comes down to "players league", "owners league", and not a "everyone makes this work league".

Remember, players do make teams, but owner's take responsibility.

When a team folds, who gets blamed? Players or owners?

When a team can't pay for fees? When a team can't afford officials? A field?

Who's liable?

IF I were you, what would I do?

I already did it. I became a GM and run a team so I can play with my friends. So I know there will always be enough guys to play in a game. So I know I can always count on 11 showing up to Missoula if I ask. So I know that when league fees are due, I'll have enough guys to give me at least $100. Take the initiative. You want to play with each other that bad, be the one who makes it happen.

Or join another team and rely on someone else...

And end up... the odd man out.

James Eyre · Veteran Member

If what Stogs says is true then the Boise GM flat out lied to the rest of the managing board at the league meeting about the number of players. If I recall correctly when asked how many players he said six or seven but what is being said now is that they already had 14 practicing with them. That is the reason for the rule. Everyone knew it was going to be more and now we know that we were right. I think Ktyo gives the best advice for the players left out and I would add that if you believe that you have some left in the tank and they cut you then join another team and try to prove they made the wrong choice on players. If anything I would be upset at them for not keeping you on.

Stogs · Veteran Member

Twist it to your agenda James. I'm speaking for myself. I didn't say there were 10 or 15 in November. I said I was there. The reason for the rule is the exact reason why no AA team will ever move up to AAA. You don't allow a AA team to grow and acquire current talent. You can tell me to be mad at the management. But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together. Kyto I don't hae the time to run a team. I have other obligations.

Stogs

James Eyre · Veteran Member

I have no agenda and could really care less who the Generals have on their team. I never twisted anything. Anyone can read it themselves. All I said was that the reasons that that rule was put in place is because a couple teams couldn't just be honest at the meeting. Who knows what would have happened if they had just said we want to add 10 or 15. Probably nothing the way the meeting went.

KytoKhouang · Senior Member

Stogs wrote:
Twist it to your agenda James. I'm speaking for myself. I didn't say there were 10 or 15 in November. I said I was there. The reason for the rule is the exact reason why no AA team will ever move up to AAA. You don't allow a AA team to grow and acquire current talent. You can tell me to be mad at the management. But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together. Kyto I don't hae the time to run a team. I have other obligations.

Stogs

Maybe you're just deflecting the fact that you didn't take initiative to make sure everything was good for you and your buddies to play on the same team. It's no secret that half the Western Idaho GMs and teams don't get along. You thought that all those teams would be okay with all of you guys playing together?

You know what rubs me the wrong way about this statement Brian? These two lines did me in pretty good: "But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together".

For whatever reason that just rubbed me the wrong way.

So what now Brian? Jocko posted on here but he sure didn't say anything about how the managing board should be ashamed. We did this, we did that. You want to play with your friends? You didn't complain when a majority of your friends were on the Spartans AAA team and you were on the AA team a few years ago. NOW SHAME ON THE MANAGING BOARD?

Don't blame your leadership then, just don't. It's not their fault they didn't make sure everything was going to be good for you guys. It sucks you're the odd man out. But you want to know how voting works? Like in America? When you need votes, you usually go to certain people who have votes, to vote your way. It's kinda called campaigning..

If a majority has your vote, you usually win! Had your GM came to me and said, "Look, we do want to be AAA, but we need to build this core. We need to do this and this and this, and start by combining with this and this and this." You may, just maybe had my vote. But instead I decided to say I don't care, because it's a non-issue in the AAA.

Shame on the managing board for not catering to the Boise Roughriders, I mean Boise Speed, I mean Treasure Valley Spartans AA, AAA... you know, whatever.

It's a players league! Let them do what they want!

Let half of them leave the Wolverines, and see how they turn out!

Let half of them leave the Eastern Idaho Lionz and see how they turn out!

I can't wait to play the Desper...wait..

Granted all those situations are different and maybe, so is yours.

I'll be ashamed of myself for preventing you to play with your buddies, sorry bro, my bad. You should probably be blaming the people who could've prevented this issue.

Be honest, did you really see Tom, Jesus, the Gem State guys allowing the Generals to receive a majority of the AAA Spartans? Like really tho? Like really tho? And to top that off, you think Missoula and the rest of Montana would be okay with the Blaze guys loading up another MT team? Like--for real though?

Oh and for the record:

The appeal that the Generals submitted to accept more than 10 Spartan players was shot down by 13 teams. Passed by 4, and 5 abstains. Plus a no-vote.

Shame on all 13 of you!

You've made this league about the OWNERS!! The same guys who register their names to LLCs! The same guys who sign contracts for fields! The same guys who obtain businesses licenses! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! Heaven forbid if those players that you count on don't pay their fees, don't show up to games, and one day decide hey, we're not going to fill our obligation as a player to a league, to an owner to field a team for a complete season.

For that, all you owners shall be ashamed!

Good day sir.

Cpt Crunch · Senior Member

KytoKhouang wrote:
Stogs wrote:
Twist it to your agenda James. I'm speaking for myself. I didn't say there were 10 or 15 in November. I said I was there. The reason for the rule is the exact reason why no AA team will ever move up to AAA. You don't allow a AA team to grow and acquire current talent. You can tell me to be mad at the management. But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together. Kyto I don't hae the time to run a team. I have other obligations.

Stogs
You know what rubs me the wrong way about this statement Brian? These two lines did me in pretty good: "But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together".
For whatever reason that just rubbed me the wrong way.

Because it was followed up with "I don't have the time to run a team." So the owners, who direct a load of time towards the league, their team, and officials, are now expected to allow players to walk on them. It's NOT a "Player's League." It's a "GMs' League" opperated by "Players' Teams". Don't believe me? GMs make the decisions, and as Kyto said, take the risks. You have risked nothing.

Stogs wrote:
Twist it to your agenda James. I'm speaking for myself. I didn't say there were 10 or 15 in November. I said I was there. The reason for the rule is the exact reason why no AA team will ever move up to AAA. You don't allow a AA team to grow and acquire current talent. You can tell me to be mad at the management. But you're just deflecting the fact that you took a players league and turned it into an owners league. The managing board should be ashamed that they made a rule hindering friends from playing together. Kyto I don't hae the time to run a team. I have other obligations.

Stogs

Actually, the rule is in place to provide protection to the longevity of teams. Another AAA team folding to consolidate in hopes of making a very competitive team (AA typically doesn't have this problem), sure you made a great team, but you also lost a team to do it. Now the AAA is boasting 5 teams that are all super competitive. Maybe instead of folding another team next year, somebody else will step in and take charge.

And "James's Agenda" would've been to take on more than 5 players. He made a big boy decision as a first year GM to strengthen the league rather than push his agenda.

"What would you do?" - You said it yourself....

Join the Matadors...

Join the Guardians...

Join the Lancers...

Join the Bulldawgs...

Join a WICFL team...

Sit out a year....

Sounds like you've got a helluva lotta options there. Must be nice.

-- Edited by Cpt Crunch on Tuesday 12th of March 2013 11:48:00 AM

Stogs · Veteran Member

Kyto,
Sorry I rubbed you the wrong way (HJ??). Not my intentions at all. You and I have talked about this in private so I'll leave it at that.

Stogs

JSmith3 · Member

To Clarify:

When put on the spot of how many Spartans we had, I do believe I threw out the number 10. After counting them out over the next few minutes I came up with 15, which I told Brad and a couple others right after the meeting.

Jess Peterson · Senior Member

Something that hasn't been mentioned as well... The executive board offered the Generals all 15+ players (+ because we were still 2 months until the season starts and we all know that there will be 5+ more that will come out of the woodwork as the season grows closer) if they moved up to AAA...

Stogs · Veteran Member

Sure you can throw all that stuff out there. My questions were what would you do?
But on your note...
Do you really expect an Idaho team to be the only AAA team in the area? To travel to Utah every other week?

Stogs

Golden11 · Veteran Member

Stogs wrote:
Sure you can throw all that stuff out there. My questions were what would you do?
But on your note...
Do you really expect an Idaho team to be the only AAA team in the area? To travel to Utah every other week?

Stogs

A one division, one league system would have solved this issue.

Bradthurber · Senior Member

Just caught up....glad to at least see some activity on this board. While I don't envy Stogs' dilemma, it does now feel like home when Stogs, Golden, Kyto, Tom Bennet, & Bryce have all commented on one thread.

Stogs, if it were me, I'd go check out the Matadors, Guardians, & Lancers. Wouldn't you rather be the starting QB on one of those teams, than sit the bench for the Generals? I don't pretend to know the details about how you would have fit into the Generals' plans, but I know you're a good QB and I'm guessing any of those three teams would LOVE to have you.

ZJOCKO · Member

We didn't lose a team to make a good AA team. The Spartans were lost last year. (Hence the forfeit) The remaining players who still wanted to play went to the Generals because the Spartans were done. The Spartans WEREN'T done because people went to the Generals. The Spartan organization (with name changes and 1 change in ownership) were the second or third longest running team in the league next to Idaho Falls and maybe Magic Valley. Old age, injuries, and travel issues for so many years, among a few other things were the main reasons for their demise. Luckily over the past few years we had a few other teams like MV, Arco that allowed us to at least have 1 or 2 in state games. That is no more. We held out as long as we could.
15 players is not enough players to make a team no matter what way you cut it. AAA or AA The Generals also probably would not have enough players to keep a team if it weren't for the old Spartans guys coming over.
Players come and go, owners come and go, teams come and go.. After 13 or so years it was finally time for the Spartans Organization to go. Unfortunately for us that was the same year that this rule was voted to be put in place... (After we had been practicing and even paid team fees with the Generals)
It is easy to throw out there "if you would have went AAA you could have all your players" Well that doesn't change the fact that the closest team is still 350 or so miles away. If there were some closer teams I'm sure Jerry would have wanted to go AAA. But there comes a point in life where driving 5 hours, playing a game, getting beat up, driving another 5 hours and getting home at 3am (4-5 times a season) isn't quite as much fun as it used to be. And I know it isn't Utah's fault that they are the only ones that have AAA teams, just as it isn't our fault that no team around us has any desire to play AAA. (MV, Arco excluded when the did of course)
So unfortunately our only option is to go to a AA team with the Generals being the best option. We have tried the Matador merger-didn't work, Lancer are basically an off-shoot of the Matadors with Tom in charge, the Guardians scored 7 points last year and are out in Caldwell I believe, Bulldawgs are a bit out of the area, and the WIFL has the same people as the PDFL so no thanks. Sit out a year... Unfortuantely unless you are Tom Bennett we will all be sitting out the rest of our lifes soon due to being too old.

Relationships with your teammates is a huge part of football. It's the only reason some people even play.
I have played with Todd for 10 years- who held the Spartans together as long as he could and played with a torn ACL last year just because we didn't have enough lineman. Not going to be able to play with him this year due to the new rule.
I've played with Stogs for 9 years- This would be 10 without the new rule.

It's not surprising that nobody cares because it doesn't affect THEM but picture if it were your teammates not being allowed to play on your team? Hooper told that he couldn't play with Kyto! They went to play where their friends went. But retro-active rules are retro-active rules and now in this (recreational pay to play league) Stogs is now being told who he can and can't play for. It should at least be understood why he would be upset with that... And if it is for the betterment of the league how does not allowing Stogs to play with the guys he has played with for years better the league??? That's where he is coming from. When it comes down to it he is a over 30 year old man that is just trying to play football with his friends!! That's all. So I feel bad for him. It's pretty lame if you ask me. Especially where we don't have many years left to do this.

KytoKhouang · Senior Member

Jocko, I care.

I do feel for you.

It sucks. It's a new breed of people now. Even I, with a voice too loud, lack voting power.

Golden11 · Veteran Member

Jocko you are certainly right in so many ways, and unfortunately for the league, a player like yourself does not have to ability to hold more weight in decisions. You're always so level headed and reasonable. Not to beat a dead horse, but the current setup has encouraged a diluted RMFL, where the unbalanced setup does exactly what Kyto just explained. Lack of voting power. Barely surviving, year to year teams have an equal vote on the betterment of the league as Kyto does. That is extremely unfortunate that had to happen. When the REV defense left to the Stealth and the Bears defense merged with the REV, players were free to move and did so because of friendships. Which in your case, you are right that a few of the adjacent owners in your area would never allow any team to benefit from adding players for selfish reasons.

That being said, I can be the devils advocate here and point out the precedent has been set in the past on a number of players moving from one team to the next. That was limited to 10 players (in the case of Wolverines to REV). But that was from one existing team to another existing team. These 2 scenarios this year include one team folding and moving to another team, which happened in 2012 with Bears folding and moving teams. That number was not limited though. But I guess we're talking about AA teams, so the argument always changes. That is a shame you can't play alongside your friends Stog. Best of luck.

KB · Member

Feel for you bro and totally understand your point, time is running out for alot of us and if i couldn't play with my boys i wouldn't play at all. But look at it this way Generals run the table with the addition of the spartans and next year no if, ands or buts AAA bound then no issues what so ever. Looking forward to a graet year in the RMFL!

Ihde13 · Veteran Member

If the generals would of played up AAA, which would make scense since they could have all the Spartan players they wanted, (the Spartans were exactly bad either they did beat the rebels and it sucks to see them fold.) We wouldn't have this issue, but at least its even I guess the blaze can't all go to missoula, and after playing 3 AAA teams last year in that stars and stripes that blaze team was as good as or even better than all three of them.. now sucks playing with out ur teammates idk what.that's like Oilers out here have different players every year.. but goodluck to ya hopefully all the Spartans that wanted to continue the RMFL get to..

Bholmes · Newbie

The RMFL was developed with the philosophy that sportsmanship, team-building and simple opportunity to play football for average to star players are its underlying principles and objectives and all other league goals shall be subservient.

James Eyre · Veteran Member

Nobody has stopped anyone from playing the sport they love.

Stogs · Veteran Member

James Eyre wrote:
Nobody has stopped anyone from playing the sport they love.

You're right James. But they've stopped us from playing it with our friends.

Stogs

tom bennett · Veteran Member

Brian,
It it appears to me you have plenty of other options. Bottom line is ; Do you want to play football or not? I think it's time for you to let this thing go because it isn't going to change this year. You do what you want, but if it were me, I'd of signed on somwhere else a month ago just so I could learn their system.

Stogs · Veteran Member

tom bennett wrote:
Brian,
It it appears to me you have plenty of other options. Bottom line is ; Do you want to play football or not? I think it's time for you to let this thing go because it isn't going to change this year. You do what you want, but if it were me, I'd of signed on somwhere else a month ago just so I could learn their system.

That's what you all aren't getting. There is no play football or not. I can play football yes. My issue is how can I play football with my friends? What you all don't understand is this:

You are allowing 10 players. The Generals will pick the 10 best players. The 5 that you aren't allowing are backups/depth. What's going to happen when you play the Generals with those 10 guys and they are up 50 (if that's what you're afraid is going to happen by having the Spartans players join them)? There are no subs for them to sub out. So if the starters are all still in there, what do you think will happen to that 50 point lead?

Just another thought for you.

Tom I appreciate the invite. I have all my options and I think I've made the best decision for me.

Stogs

tom bennett · Veteran Member

Brian,
You're welcome on the invite, and I'm sure whatever you end up doing, you'll adapt fine and have a good football experience( except if you do the WIFL). But the Generals depth chart is not limited to just former Spartan players. He can recruit all the other players, from unlimited resources he needs to fill the back up roles. So that argument won't stand.

Stogs · Veteran Member

None of my arguments will stand with those who made this stupid rule to protect their teams. Don't try to tell me it's to protect the league. Because the league is more than just the AA. It's the AAA too. And this rule greatly affects a teams ability to move up to AAA. Thought it seems the AA isn't too worried about that.
None of this would even be discussed if the managing board had stuck to their original vote Friday night of a 1 division league. I've never known an organization that went back and revoted on something after it had been approved.

Stogs

redandgold88 · Veteran Member

Don't be mad at the managers who voted against the move. The generals obviously had the opportunity to obtain all the ex Spartan players they wanted. We as team owners/ managers were looking out for our best interests for our team and our league.

Stogs · Veteran Member

redandgold88 wrote:
Don't be mad at the managers who voted against the move. The generals obviously had the opportunity to obtain all the ex Spartan players they wanted. We as team owners/ managers were looking out for our best interests for our team and our league.

Huh??

Knickrehm · Newbie

I am out of luck this year as well. Very disappointing after 10 years in this league as a player and working some in team management. The league has chosen to go against what it was originally formed to provide. All things evolve, that is understood, but it will be tough to not have the opportunity to play with the guys I've played beside for the last 10 years because others felt threatened.

I'll opt for the local 8 man league rather than another local team. If you'd like my reasoning I won't state it here. The WIFL is junk, don't believe any of the hype.

To those who voted in this rule: I really hope your personal pride and glory in RECREATIONAL football fills your cup.

tom bennett · Veteran Member

Dane,
I think you would of had to of been at the league meeting to really understand how this all went down. I'm not going to go over all of it here, but I will say those that voted for this had very valid reasons for voting for it. It went far beyond feeling " threatened". And for me,( even though I know you aren't calling me out directly) it had absolutely nothing to with me personally, or my personal pride or any feelings of being threatened. The way I see it, it is going to be a challenging year for us anyway.And I had no animosity towards any Gm's or players of any of the said teams involved. Heck I don't even know most of them. I know it don't seem like it right now, but I voted my conscience on what I felt was right and what was best for the league as a whole. If you and I were to sit down and I told you of some of the things that went down at that meeting, and what led to my vote. You would have a better understanding of that vote. It wasn't just about the Generals. There were two other teams making similar moves. The league needed a couple more AAA teams, and the Generals were offered a 5 game home schedule. The Generals are now a legitamate AAA team, and had they taken the leagues offer to go AAA, they would of been able to keep all of those players. So you would of had three trips to Utah. Maybe four with the playoffs. I've done it many times. The Generals GM blew an excellent opportunity to keep all you guys together. So maybe you guy should redirect your disappointment to someone other than the RMFL's Managing board that voted for the rule. Plus the Generals have a home field that don't cost him a thing because he coaches there. That's money saved that could of been applied to your travel. What baffles me is why a team the caliber of the Generals, wouldn't want to step up to AAA to play against the best of the best of the RMFL. Thats like Boise State opting to go back and play in the Big Sky conference. And I know if you take a poll of all of the players of this league, you will find that the overwhelming majority back the new rule. It seems the ones that are having a problem with it are the very ones the rule affected most. Quite telling. Good luck in ICFL. Probably a good place for you. Alot of guys that play in that league seem to really enjoy it.
Tom Bennett

Cpt Crunch · Senior Member

I understand that it's not working out for you this year, but in years to come, players need to realize is that if their team is folding, somebody better take the reigns. 16 Spartans'players refusing to trave and eventually leading to the demise of the team coming back the following year to sandbag the AA is not good for the league, our the p players in the league. take 5 friends and join the lancers or bulldogs. Why would you want to join a bunch of guys that refuse to travel anyways? All arguments are pretty lame at this point. But let it be known that the old "fold and consolidate" will not happen any more.

Stogs · Veteran Member

First of all, hey James, how many stampede players do you have on your roster? I hope it's only 10!! Anyone want to explain why he would be allowed more?
Those that keep saying generals should be AAA should think about that before they say it. The Spartans just folded because of the brutal travel schedule. How do you think it would be for the generals being the only AAA team within 300+ miles?? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I can't wait to hear more about the Sting and their roster of stampede players.

Stogs

Deserved · Veteran Member

doesn't Dixie have to travel 300 + miles to every road game? We never hear them complain... And they traveled MORE miles than you last year!

JONZIN15 · Member

I don't usually post much on here but Stogs, your whining is already getting old. Let me be clear, I DO NOT speak for James or Sting management, but I think we have about 20 Stampede players. What you dont realize, is that by my count, 16 or 17 of us ex-Stampede players were AA. We dont count because Sting management bought the Stampede AA franchise before the AAA team decided to fold. Technically, the Sting actually started with a roster of around 40 ex-Stampede AA players. 16 or 17(not sure exactly), stuck around to KEEP playing for the team we were ALREADY playing for.

So in reality, we only have 3 or 4(again, not positive), Stampede AAA players. That is well within the rules and far, far less than the Generals were trying to claim fronm the Spartans. You cant compare apples to oranges. Its not even close to the same situation, so...."spin it in your direction however you want to"! Go hang out on whatever message board the league your going to play in has. If you stay in the RMFL, play on one of the other local teams and prove to the Generals why they should have chosen YOU as one of the 10 guys they should have chosen. Thats the best way to take out your frustrations

Jess Peterson · Senior Member

Chris is correct. There were 2 Logan teams last year. The AA team was purchased by the Eyres, relocated to Brigham City, Utah and renamed the Brigham Sting. After the league meeting and the vote, the AAA Logan Stampede folded because of lack of players. 4 of those former AAA players are now on the Sting roster and I believe 4 more are on the Davis Viper roster.

The situation is the same. If they want more players, they would have to petition the Executive Board for that. With all situations this year, Brad Thurber, Doug Cook and myself will make the ruling. If the Sting or Rebels are involved, Brad and Doug will not be in the decision making process.

If you have any questions, please call one of us, we would be glad to talk to you.
435-590-6184

Kicker13 · Senior Member

Holy hell, let the damn man play where ever the hell he wants. Seriously... just let it go and let him suit up.... (I'll eat these words if and only if Stogs starts and throws for a record amount of yards and Td's in the AA playoffs) Sorry I just don't see that happening.....so let him and a few others play where the H E L L they want.

-- Edited by Kicker13 on Tuesday 19th of March 2013 11:17:18 PM

tom bennett · Veteran Member

That's typical.

Sting9Kowski · Veteran Member

Me, D-Will, Cam Carter, Logan Hull. The only AAA Stampeded guys to play for the sting. And we all chose to play there, non of us were "recruited"

Cpt Crunch · Senior Member

Sting9Kowski wrote:
Me, D-Will, Cam Carter, Logan Hull. The only AAA Stampeded guys to play for the sting. And we all chose to play there, non of us were "recruited"

People hate when you use facts in arguments around here.

Sting9Kowski · Veteran Member

Fair enough

JSmith3 · Member

Once again, to keep the facts straight.....

We do pay money to use the field at Nampa Christian.

Also we are currently at 34 players (39 if we were AAA), not even enough to qualify for the 40 man roster limit the AAA requires.

Conetah24 · Veteran Member

Wait sorry I'm late but this whole argument is about a guy who wants to play with friends but supposedly isn't good enough so his "friends" leave him and play for the Generals anyway? Some friends. You can't tell me that this situation didnt start with a phone call saying hey with your offense and our defense we'll win a championship. I know I would have made that call.

-- Edited by Conetah24 on Sunday 31st of March 2013 04:14:53 AM

tom bennett · Veteran Member

Jerry,
Sorry if I misunderstood that you would get the Nampa Christian field for free. But I got that information directly from the athletic director there stating that because you worked there as a coach, it would be available to you at no charge. Maybe something changed since that conversation?

GORILLA20 · Senior Member

i could be mistaken but hasnt this been in effect for a couple seasons now? it was voted on when we had more than 5 AAA teams. all of the AAA big names were still on board. even the Spartans were still a team. it got voted on and passed. as a GM, jerry should know that. when he got more than 5 players showing up to his practices, phone calls should have been made. the rule was put in place to prevent teams from recruiting so many players from another team that it forces that team to fold. Am i right to say that this rule would still apply if we were only one league until we vote to get rid of it? it's not because the spartans are former AAA playes. the phoenix and knights received the same rule based on blaze players...who were AAA. brad made an exception and gave them 10 with 8 active which is 3 more than the rule. AAA has suffered because we make rules and bend them and it sets a bad precedent. my only issue was that 15 AAA caliber players on a AA team seems odd. With the guys on the Generals roster plus the addition of the 15 spartans, it sounds like a competitive AAA squad. Why not take the offer and move up? Thats what I would do? How many of those 15 players were former starters? Is it the travel in AAA and the lack of travel in AA? im just curious as to why the offer of moving up was not appealing? especially with the AAA struggling.

GORILLA20 · Senior Member

and since we bent the player recruitment rule, i'm SURE we could bend the roster limit by 1 to accommodate the move. all 15 spartans join generals, generals move up to AAA to help them, we allow them a 39 rather than 40 man roster. doesnt sound as complicated as the agument of going from 5 allowed players to 15.

Cpt Crunch · Senior Member

Lame attempt at a troll.

A no-name suffisticant jumps on an internet chat board and hurls accusations and insults around which indicate only she is the one guilty of her own accusations.

***sigh*** Wouldn't be right without your kind here. Welcome to another year of the RMFL message board.

No need to respond anybody....Move along, nothing to see here.

-- Edited by Cpt Crunch on Tuesday 2nd of April 2013 03:39:07 PM

bennettblows · Newbie

Username indicates hot air, however, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine some other scenarios that Tom might blow in.

Once again Tom is 'misinformed', and with that his hearsay pollutes the topic. No surprise. I enjoy Tom trying to insinuate that other members/teams are 'dodging' the jump to AAA. Interesting, since the Matadors have done this for how many years? All the while Tom was at the helm! I wonder what other names you will try to drop Tom, when anyone that is informed understands that you have zero insight or connections on anything, and ultimately you make assumptions and attempt to pass them off as fact. Such as a field being provided for free, which is not the case. Continue to backpedal when you're called out Tom.......your backpedaling is as poor as your accuracy!

On another note.....Cpt crunch & Conetah24=idiots. Both of you could stand to evaluate what comes out of your mouth/keyboard, before putting yourselves in the category that Tom is in. Just a friendly bit of advice!