I know that we are only 3 weeks into the season and there is still a lot of football to be played, but I feel this is a good reminder of what teams need to do you make the playoffs.
There you go on those "ifs"......"if" you didn't throw that flag on ghost yesterday, the score woulda been 30 to 21......that ball was unwatchable and YOU KNOW IT!!!! I see the hate bro
You can also say...if they didn't call the play dead when the Stealth intercepted the ball in the end zone untouched and ran it back for a touch down...they said they made a mistake on the call and they shouldn't have called it dead...but they didn't reward the stealth the touch down...the score would be also different...there was missed calls and bad calls everywhere in that game but they was quick to throw flags on the side line and even one of the refs got into it with one of the fans...real classy...but it was a hell of a game played by both sides...
He went " Untouched" because they blew the whistle. Even my fat self touched him just as I was realizing they really were calling it dead. No guarantee at all he would have scored without the whistles.
Jess - is there metric or criteria for "Strength of Schedule" in the tie-breaking process? Does each "division champ" get an automatic playoff birth? Let's say Sting finish 6-2, Shock finish 6-2 and Stealth win division at 7-1. Meanwhile, the Loco Express are 5-3 yet win their division. Play out the scenario.....
This is not going to end well for a couple teams - and a few patty cakes are going to make it because of their schedule.
That's what this was set up to do Charlie! Give teams a chance. Yes, a 5-3 Shock team would head to the lower tier playoffs. As could a 6-2 Stealth or Rev depending how other divisions play out for division winners and wild card spots. Is what it is. SOS means literally nothing.
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YES all 4 division champs are auto bids for the Top Tier playoffs. the top 2 overall teams get a first round playoff bye. the next 2 best records
after division winners make the Top Tier 6. this is where the tie-breaks would come into play. the next 6 best records make the aaa lower tier playoffs and homeottom 4 records sit home.
so a division winner could be 3-5 and be in the Top Tier playoffs as a 4 seed. At 6 - 2, the Sting and Shock would hopefully get in as the 5th and 6th seed, respectively but if a team in another dicision is 7-1 or wins the tie-break against one of them than one of them would be in the Lower Tier playoffs.
Yes to both questions Charlie. "SOS" is used in the tiebreaker process. But like the NFL, the division winners get automatically. There could be a 6-2 team that has to travel to a 4-4 team in the first round.
Charlie. What is a patty cake team? This is what the former AAA teams wanted. The fact is we are all AAA or not. Already the AAA teams from the past are complaining that it isn't fair because they should get special treatment. We could all have just stuck to the 5 team AAA and you all could have made the playoffs. The fact is you just have to beat the teams you play. If we are all AAA then we are all equal. This is what you guys wanted. If the Shock wanted an easy path to the playoffs then they should have took us serious and not overlooked us. That may come back to haunt them but that is only on them and nobody else. I'm sure a Loco Shock lower tier championship in Laurel would still turn out to be a decent game. We all knew that at least one of the big 4 wouldn't make the AAA play offs when we discussed it at the meeting but everyone was more interested in what was best for the league which this season is going to be the best this league has had. There is a lot of football left to be played and I am 100% sure that there will be 1 or 2 more big upsets that will change the landscape but that is what we all wanted.
I like the new format myself...and I'm with you, James......it's what everyone voted for.....If we don't make it, the last thing I'm gonna do is cry because someone from Idaho or montana got in and we had a better record.....look at the NFL last year...The cardinals is a great example
@James Eyre - LOL - You got it bud. I just hope and pray the REV get a shot at you in a real game this season. It does make perfect sense to have a 4-4 Anarchy team as a #4 seed. Perfect sense. :)
why cant guys disagree without it being a target on their back? thats crazy. i think anyone that threatens a dude like that should have to actually see each other one on one. not on the field where they have 10 friends to get their back. i bet this forum would sound a lot different.
How you gonna bust Chuck out when he picked your D apart like you was some pattie cake team?
Must've ran out of humble pie after beating Shock?
We all might be AAA but that still don't change the fact the four top teams of the league play eachother once plus a second game with one of those teams while teams like yours play only 2 of the top team in your pattie cake schedule.
@Gorilla - No animosity. Not "calling anyone out." We had a chance to play the Sting in the preseason - that's the reason I'd like to play them again. :)
That being said, thanks for sticking your nose in a comment that was directed to @JamesEyre.
Per your comment, "I think anyone that threatens a dude like that should actually have to see each other one on one." - See you at the game Saturday! :)
From an outside perspective looking in what if you guys are the 4 and 4 team and dont make the upper tier playoffs and the so called "patty cake" teams make it? From the looks of the revs schedule that could be a real possibility. I have to agree with solo on this one the league voted and everyone was happywith the out come of the league meetings. Schedule certainly plays into it but at the same time you guys are supposed to be elite and it shouldn't matter.
it was a joke phynn.....i just think its stupid that we cant disagree without it turning all hostile. its ok to disagree. thats how you get stuff done. imagine a league of "yes men".....ya know?
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@ chuckypita.....i am a crappy cornerback on an average team. i have no expectations so you cant hurt my feelings with that stuff. sorry. i have no football ego. if we win by 25 or lose by 50, i still have to go to work on monday. my bills get paid from my REAL job. but yes, we will see you on saturday and fight forr 48 minutes like we always do. if we lose, it lasts like 5 minutes for us and im like that when i lose at dj hero with my kids. but you can meet me at the 50 yard line with your pillow in hand, ya big meanie. you and me....one on one.
you have to love that nothing has changed with the new structure in regards to commaderie or feeling like one league. there is still a aaa / aa split except now it looks better to the other leagues. if we are all patty cake and the schedule isnt fair and the playoffs should be setup for the 4 big dogs to win anyway than why didnt we just stay aa?
you guys take this football stuff WAY too serious......so sad.
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Who cares...I have one suggestion...play to win...simple enough...if you are winning, then you have nothing to worry about...I think it becomes a problem to guys because they might feel like they won't win out...there is a lot of tough games for a lot of teams and I smell more upsets waiting to happen...just win your games and you'll be fine...
It only took 3 weeks to have this conversation? I'll apologize in advance if this gets too long or if I sound "butt hurt" as Hooper accused me earlier this week when we had a similar discussion.
Yes, each division winner gets an automatic bid to the playoffs; just like the NFL, those 4 teams are the top 4 seeds in the top-tier playoffs. After those four automatic seeds, the two next best teams (this is where the tie-breaking system comes into play starting with 1) record, 2) head-to-head, 3) common opponents, 4) strength of schedule, 5) points against) are chosen for the upper tier playoffs while the next 6 are chosen for the 2nd tier playoffs. So, we are guaranteed to have at least one team from each division--and if one of those division winners is a "cupcake" team then they'll still host the first round game vs. a wild card. It's not a perfect system. I've said that since we adopted it. I said it in the league meeting. I said it in my email to GMs after the league meeting. I said it on the Podcast. There will be unintended consequences, and it may not be the best 6 teams in the upper tier playoffs. The format isn't perfect.
We don't run this league in a vacuum. It's easy to point out what's wrong with the system, but I think I've made it pretty clear that if someone has a better idea of a format this is better that all 24 teams will buy into--I'd be happy to listen to it. I believe the current format is better than what we had last year and over time (this is the hard part because almost everyone in the league only looks at this one year at a time) has the potential to last. The format isn't perfect.
Why do last year's AAA teams have a more difficult schedule than other teams? 1) Because they are geographically close so they're in the same division, and 2) because they were ranked #1 & #2 (#3 for the Ducks) in their divisions. If the Shock really go 3-5 (which was the scenario Hoop and I were discussing earlier this week) and the Stealth, Stampede, & Sting all end up with better records, then next year they would be the #4 seed in the Utah North division and would have the same schedule the Logan Stampede have this year (playing the last placed teams in the other divisions for the out-of-division games). With the exception of Dixie (because of their location), almost every single AAA team from last year has less travel than any of the teams located in Montana and Idaho. There seems to always be at least one (Generals last year, Blaze two years ago--and this year in my opinion) team outside of Utah that is good enough to compete with the elite. We found out with Great Falls two years ago, that we can't really expect them to travel over 3,000 miles per season and still be competitive. This format is designed to allow those teams a reasonable travel schedule, while still having the opportunity to play the best in the playoffs. The format isn't perfect.
If we're looking at strength of schedule discrepancies, my biggest disappointment is the struggles of the Generals & Gladiators--the class of last year's AA. These two teams were ranked #1 because of being in the Championship last year and neither have won a game yet this year. So, the Rebels & Stealth have two games that should have been against powerhouse teams, but it's not shaping up that way. But on the other hand, that's one of the reasons the format was developed--to keep teams from loading up for a AA Championship, only to fold the following year because all of those players chose not to come back, or worse chose to jump on to another team to avoid having to play at the next level. The format isn't perfect.
Finally, and this is where I don't want to come off whiney, but I might. I busted my butt in the off-season to 1) come up with a structure that I honestly believed was BETTER (not perfect) for the league as a whole, and 2) actually get everyone to buy into it. Two years ago at the League meeting, we called for a re-vote from one league back to two because of conversations I had with the existing AAA GMs on Friday night after the vote(Charlie was the one AAA GM in favor of one league) because they didn't want to have to play too many "cupcake" teams in their schedule. Last year, all of the existing AAA GMs told me a league of 5 teams was a joke. The most common push-back I received leading up to the League Meeting this year was "why are we messing with a AA that works to cater to the 5 AAA teams?". My response was always, "this will be better for the whole League (especially for those 5 AAA teams and the 8 AA teams for 2014)." So, now we have 16 AAA teams, the schedule is ranked as best we could to try and create parody and avoid blowouts; and I'm getting complaints of strength of schedule and "cupcake" teams making the playoffs...there is not perfect format, but I believe what we have is a lot better than anything we've ever had before.
As always, anyone that has a better idea for a league structure for the 2015 season, feel free to give me a call. In the meantime, let's try and enjoy the 2014 season with the surprises and potential excitement it offers. By and large I've had much more positive feedback on the new structure than negative, and I take that as a good sign. Don't let the imperfections of the format distract you from the beauty of the RMFL experience.
One more clarification--Hoop did not think the Shock would go 3-5, he was exaggerating to make a point. Also, I somehow translated "patty cake" to "cupcake"--sorry, not sure which is better or worse.
-- Edited by Bradthurber on Monday 21st of April 2014 09:16:21 AM
Already the AAA teams from the past are complaining that it isn't fair because they should get special treatment.
If the Shock wanted an easy path to the playoffs then they should have took us serious and not overlooked us. That may come back to haunt them but that is only on them and nobody else. I'm sure a Loco Shock lower tier championship in Laurel would still turn out to be a decent game.
Ok, so wait. James, I have never really had any beef with you, but where the hell do you come off with this statement? First, you don't think we as an "organization" KNOW the repercussions of our loss to you guys? Second, I am pretty sure you have NEVER heard us ask for special treatment..EVER! We know we have to take care of our own games first. We don't call in favors... Hell an argument can be made for SOS just by comparing ours to yours. Taking you serious, would not have made our path to the playoffs "easy" by any means. But thats enough about that, because we aren't worried about anything else except the Stealth game right now.
Fact is...We took the Sting lighter then we should, and Your team wanted it more. You outplayed us... Plain and simple. But don't go putting our organization on blast for other peoples comments. We traveled to Dixie, LEFT IT ON THE FIELD, and will continue to do so no matter who we play. Ask Dixie...I am pretty sure they would agree the Shock team they played is not "complaining about special treatment." Just saying...
-- Edited by Kicker13 on Monday 21st of April 2014 02:36:22 PM
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I honestly think it's a hand full of guys that have quarrels with what's going on. I don't believe that every player on certain teams is complaining about it. I agree the AAA teams from last year have a tougher road to the playoffs then us lowly bottom feeders but the way I look at it is it doesn't really matter who you play you should expect to win. If you are a number one or two seed in the playoffs that means you most likely won all but maybe one game. In reality if we happened to beat the stealth does that still mean the Sting is a "patty cake" team? I'm not saying we will win out but I'm not saying we won't. We play this game to win. No one likes to lose. If we played every one of the "elite" teams this season I would still expect to win every game. I"m not saying we could or would beat any of those teams but my outlook would be the same. Long story short if you want to be in the top tier playoffs go out and win games and stay off the boards with what if this what if that. It's week three. If you're already worried you're crazy. A whole lot of **** could happen between now and play off time. Any ways I said my bit, good luck to everyone this week.
@monkeyboy20... Please stop talking, you're just making yourself look bad.. A couple things really bug the ish out of me.. A p@$$! That talks too much and then acts like it was all "just a joke". The second being a "man" that acts like those of us that take the game serious are clowns and insinuates that we need to grow up, cause we don't get paid to play. Especially coming from a guy that owns a team and has put countless hours and dollars into this.. Sounds quite... Idiotic I'd say. Now please,be the condescending jerk that says the wrong thing, to the wrong guy and gets checked. If you say something stand by it. Don't cop out talking bout "I suck and so does my team". Your team has a lot of quality, top notch players. Namely Mr. Preston Hadley who should be in the NFL... Plus we all know you think you some type of baller with your cute accessories and rolled up sleeves. So next time you speak to my people, (Mr. Peterson)speak softly son. Y'all can sit on here and talk all the ish you want bout me, hiding behind your keyboards and fake a$$ names (Rumor???) and I could care less. Take note, you talk bout my people your teammates will suffer for your ignorance... One love.. See you real soon...
Just a few observations/comments from the front deck:
1. I will repeat what I stated last year, that Thurber and the rest of the RMFL staff seem to be doing a great job at progressing and making the RMFL better and better. The amount of time, energy, and WORK that goes into this I'm sure amounts to a full time job and hopefully is appreciated by all.
2. One thing I've noticed just from reading posts on this board is that their are MANY more people involved, invested, and interested in what goes on with the league than ever before. Whether you agree or disagree with your RMFL counterpart, the common overall interest you share is probably a lot closer than you think. IMO, it's almost always better when you have more people vested in something so hopefully most can respectfully agree to disagree in the end, because many of the issues in the past seem to be at least improving if not "perfectly" fixed.
3. Although Thurber and Neumeire both have done commendable jobs as commissioners, and I have only seen Thurber play safety, I am still certain Thurber is a MUCH better QB than Neumeire!
As Chris Farley would so aptly say, "HOLY SHNIKEEES!"
@Jess - Thanks for CLARIFYING - I was simply trying to understand the logistics of the playoff system. If that's how owners voted, good for them. I'm not an owner so kudos to ya'll. I was originally under the impression that the top 6 would go to the playoffs regardless of what division they're in - now I understand that's not the case and that's fine. If that's what league owners determined would be best for the league, great. Whew! (I definitely see the validity of your weekly "playoff positioning" post now.)
@Brad - Brad, I get it. You work hard to make the best viable product for the whole league. Trust me, after last year, I know ANYTHING is better than having a 4-6 "Champion". I have always been a huge fan of creating as much parity as possible in the league. Every game counts. I am glad that our schedule is the way it is. Not a complaint whatsoever. The way the structure turned out is the way the structure turned out. You're right, I desperately tried to vote for a huge league last year because it is the most important for the viability of the whole league. Each team controls their own destiny any given Saturday. I think you've done a helluva job facilitating the process. Who knows, it might be the "Big 4" in Utah this year, and it could be the "Big 4" in Idaho 4 years from now. Highly doubtful - but possible. So Kudo's to you for trying to create as much parity as possible.
@James Eyre - I guess this is the comment I have a problem with: "We all knew that at least one of the big 4 wouldn't make the AAA play offs when we discussed it at the meeting but everyone was more interested in what was best for the league which this season is going to be the best this league has had." - so structurally you knew the system was broken, but you voted for it anyway... and then #2 - "Already the AAA teams from the past are complaining that it isn't fair because they should get special treatment. We could all have just stuck to the 5 team AAA and you all could have made the playoffs. The fact is you just have to beat the teams you play. If we are all AAA then we are all equal." - We are all AAA. However, if you want "equal" then you should have made the structure "equal". I get that Brad tried his best to make that happen. If you TRULY wanted EQUAL though - you would take the Top 6 teams REGARDLESS of division and go simply by "W/L". Talking out of both sides of your mouth doesn't do anyone any favors.
@Gorilla - C'mooooon MAN!!! LOL - you got me crackin' up Jay! "I have no expectations so you cant hurt my feelings with that stuff." - what is that? Hurt feelings? I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. And I'm definitely not out for a pillow fight. My head hurts enough after a football game. I'm here to play football and have fun doing it. Part of the having fun, for me anyway, is the competition. I was simply trying to let you know that I'm looking forward to competing - as I do week in and week out. No Haterade here. Looking forward to a hard fought football game on Saturday. 'Nuf said.
@Sting9Kowski - HOME RUN! "We play this game to win. No one likes to lose. If we played every one of the "elite" teams this season I would still expect to win every game. I"m not saying we could or would beat any of those teams but my outlook would be the same." Thank you! You GET IT. You sound like an actual football player. You don't control your schedule, and you're out to play and win every game you play. I like your mindset and your attitude. #respect
@Hooper - D*** PLAYA!!!! 1st you take 1/2 our squad from the St. G game for your wedding and then you turn around and lose to the STING?!?!?! WTF!!!?!?!?!? **Gotta bust your balls a little. But for real though - good luck the rest of the way.
And to everyone who read this post, just remember what Herm Edwards so famously stated:
Kicker, I used you guys as an example because the first person to complain about the schedule and it being unfair that I know of was Hooper. Like Brad said he and Brad had a discussion about it and I have heard other guys saying it also. I like the Shock. Always have since I played against them as the Mudd Dogs while I played with the Devil Dogs and Rockets. I just used your team as an example of what guys are saying. The only people complaining at all are the AAA teams from last year who are now worried about if they lose too many games they won't get to play in the AAA playoffs. All I even was trying to say is that we are all AAA now. The big 4 may be better but we are all at the same level. I think the Seahawks would beat the Browns 10 out of 10 times but the Browns still are in the NFL and are treated the same. I believe the 4 best teams in the RMFL are the Rev, Rebels, Shock, and Stealth but that doesn't mean they will all have better records. The NFL ranks the teams and strength of schedule is based off last season. They play their division games and then one of the other conference's divisions and the other games are based off record so the Seahawks should have the toughest schedule next season but then of coarse you never know what will happen with each team. Like Brad said, next year the teams will be re ranked based on this season and the schedule will be the same format. If a team struggles they will have a easier schedule and if a team does good they will have a tougher schedule. My point again is that we are all equal or we are not. If the AAA teams from last year want to just play each other and get an automatic bid to the playoffs then just talk one of the owners into proposing that and I'm sure that there would be plenty of votes for it. Otherwise just enjoy that the league will have so much parity this year and that every game matters.
@GHOST.....stop it. i don't know where i talked about ANY of your people. you know me. you know i always stand behind what i say. i respect everyone in the league and what they do. i have no beef with anyone when it comes to football because it's not that serious to me. do i want to win? of course. BUT i hope nobody takes what is said on this forum serious or feels threatened by it. you and i have always talked trash on the field and showed love off the field. we have balled together, against each other and all that. i talk trash and i dress like i know how to play golf too. BUT when i play and if you've seen me play you know i have no game to back it up. we see things differently and take the game differently. how i look while playing football says nothing about what i think of my talent. i'm not the worst player in the league and i don't think i'm the best player in the league but i don't aspire to be. you'll never hear me say anything otherwise. some dudes LIVE football like i LIVE other things. i'm not MAD at you or anyone else for that. i clearly said that we don't get paid so it should not be a FIGHT every time someone speaks their mind or disagrees. you may like green and i may like orange so it has to be "let's take it to the field"? REALLY? that's what a forum is for. and "p.diddy" (Preston) is a BEAST.....no doubt about that. i think you're missing my point though. he is also just here to have fun which is why he is playing offense and not defense. anyway, if that's where we are then it is what it is but i thought we were deeper than that.
@CHARLIE.....i think / hope you know i was not taking any of that serious. i was making light of what i KNEW was going to be a huge argument and debate. my statement about meeting 1 on 1 wasn't even directed at YOU or JAMES but just to how every disagreement turns into "THIS". i think it's funny. we ALWAYS think we have amazing ideas in the league meeting that have HUGE flaws once the season starts.
like i said, i LOVE the forum and reading people talk trash. even when they're bashing my squad. it's NOT that serious and we should all just take it for what it's worth and just have fun with it.
If, if was a fifth we would all be drunk! Get on with all this nonsense complaining and face the fact, it plenty more football left to be played and if you are thinking that you are locked in the playoffs after 3 weeks, cmon man.
Expletive...lmao...this thread has gotten out of hand...I didn't know that ones opinion would result in mayhem...why can't it be a simple debate amongst men?
But seriously... I respect everyone's point of view and I think we all came to play. So what if people complain or even ask an innocent-but-abrasively-delivered question about something that others are highly sensitive to? This message board sucks so I say add the drama or humor... SOMETHING. Folks may disagree but as always, I don't care.
In closing, I just wanna mention Charlie taking that hit Saturday and trying to launch the football into the river... or creek or pond or whatever it was. That ball SAILED. Get it? Sailed? Cuz it flew far but also because there was water an-... nevermind. The following drama behind getting him the RIGHT replacement ball was even better. I say that the Rev missed a golden (haaa, Rev.... Golden. I'm cracking me up) opportunity to pull the old "wrong ball" trick play.
Now, someone said something about cupcakes, right?
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Darrell. For hells sakes. What have I told you about taking your Ambien and playing on the message board. If you don't go to bed soon, I will have to call you tomorrow and tell you to take down the post concerning your mothers sisters hawt body.....and how she shakes it at the cows in the pasture. AGAIN!!!
Go to bed Darrell the grown ups are talking here. hahahaha p.s. stop picking against the best leg in the league.
-- Edited by Kicker13 on Tuesday 22nd of April 2014 12:51:36 PM
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As a neutral 3rd party in this dispute, I might add that nobody should talk any mess about hiding behind a computer screen. Whether a person uses their own name or a random screen name, its easy for someone to talk mess when there is nobody standing before you to hold you accountable. I think there is nothing wrong with gorilla wanting to invest his time and effort into a team. Whether you play this game for pure love for the game, or to prove something to people that you're not a has been, or a never was, it really doesn't matter. Seems like gorilla just loves to play the game and wants to be apart of the greatest team sport known to man. Youalreadyknow seems to have something to prove on the field. Neither have a better reason than the other to play this game. Not sure why either of you are throwing out this "preston" guys name around. These forums in my opinion are to discuss football and speculate and even exchange a little friendly trash talk. There is no need to let things go too far and get personal by individually calling people out. Looking forward to hearing about the upcoming battle between two division rivals in the Revolution vs Cobras. Both of you seem like classy individuals. Best of luck.
Aye everybody on this post : " y'all mad ... Or nah !? " but aye shoutout to Miley Cyrus , shoutout to barrack Obama my president is black , shoutout to all ratchett music and shoutout to the squad #DixieRebels !!!
Aye everybody on this post : " y'all mad ... Or nah !? " but aye shoutout to Miley Cyrus , shoutout to barrack Obama my president is black , shoutout to all ratchett music and shoutout to the squad #DixieRebels !!!
