Rocky Mountain Football League

As much as I have tried to stay out of it, I am going to put in my opinions. I wish the old site content was available because I actually wrote a book about all this drama, especially touching on some of the main points of this thread before the league meeting took place.

 

I clearly stated in the beginning of that post that we needed to redefine our mission statement. Not completely but to accommodate the direction in which I was led to believe we were headed. Their have been a lot of good critiques, advice, and ideas suggested in this thread. Hopefully we can save them and bring them up when the time is right so that we can truly hash out all these issues and we as a “LEAGUE” can know 1. What we are about (be it AA or AAA) 2. We know what we stand for 3. What direction we are headed in.

I’d like point out some absolutely absurd comments that have been made on this thread, like we are equivalent to a city league or rec league softball team who gets sponsored by a company is just idiotic and irrelevant. I don’t even wanna waste my time explaining why. You are just not educated enough if you are making that comparison. There are others but I will refrain.

 

 I feel like we want a lot of things but they cannot be satisfied to its full extent when we are fence sitting or divided like we are (for those that need clarification, I mean divided in objectives, agenda, direction). I know there are a lot of you who have been around since the league started, or been around for many years and have a lot of passion about the league (also with your own personal agendas) and why and what it started for. I still believe that we can satisfy those beliefs but we also can satisfy the evolution of the league. Whether you wanna believe it or not it has evolved into a freaking business. It takes a lot of work to make it all happen. I never understood that as a player, but as I am currently wearing both hats it has been an eye opener. I can understand Kyto’s frustrations and ideas. (That doesn’t mean I agree with them all). I can also understand a lot of the old school guy’s frustrations as well. (And again I don’t agree with all those either)

 

Do I believe that Kyto’s vision of a league is correct? YES. However, I do believe that we can accomplish that within the league we are currently in. Will it take work, some modifying, restructuring? No doubt. Is it going to be easy? NO! And that is why I think we don’t do anything. It’s obviously a lot easier said than done. But guess what? With the size of our league staff, how can we not get it done? Lets see our money and increase of staff and salary really put to use. PLEASE!

 

Do I believe Kyto’s idea of a new league is good? Yes, but with a lot of work to do. Probably a million times more than if we were to do it within the framework and structure that exists within the RMFL. It would take a good structured framework and outlining of all that his league would offer. Obviously giving security and answering all those things aforementioned to any that would be interested in making the jump.

Having said all this I sadly say Kyto that you as well as anyone else that has your vision is unfortunately in the minority of this thought process, vision, and aspirations. When the majority of those in the league have the mindset that they do, the work and effort that is needed to accomplish your vision will never exist.

 

When the time is right (I clearly don’t think the time is right at this point) this all needs to be hashed out for the longevity of the league. Because more “Kytos” will come along and will continue on with this vision and goal till there is a change or a “fall” of a league in my opinion. I am not saying that that league is the RMFL (although it could be) but it is not good for anyone especially the GREAT RMFL if the Utah Teams are out of it. Trust me, I don’t care how much Treasure Valley hates to travel they rather play competitive ball than blow a bunch of teams out. But then all you Idaho guys say it’s just for the love. Hahahahaha.

 

We have plenty of ideas that might be of assistance to make the necessary adjustments but this main issue needs to be resolved, then all the logistics can follow.

 

In my opinion most of the reason why this thread got all crazy was the delivery. Sometimes the delivery of the message is more important than the message itself. Just my opinion. However, having said that I totally understand the frustration behind it Kyto.

 

Just to clarify Golden and everyone else that keeps saying we voted on helping the AA who moves up with a lighter schedule, that was to be effective 2013 season. As well as the AAA champ getting their fee waived or $1000 dollars I believe also to be effective 2013. So enough of that crap being used. Or we should argue for our $1000 if we are retroactively applying it.

 

No disrespect to Chad Molen and the Gladiators by that comment, but that was my understanding when I voted on it. And we keep whining and fighting for their travel issues, but we the Dixie Rebels have traveled more than them every season. Apparently not counting this one coming up, but we are still up there. I understand that you all hate us the Rebels because we are the 2 time AAA defending champs and so sympathy levels are low for us, but at least Great Falls has teams that can eventually lighten their travel by moving up. We don’t!  Just a thought for some of you that like to thing a lot.

 

Good Luck to all. May 2012 be GREAT for AA & AAA and a turning point for the RMFL!

 

 

p.s. Guys like Kyto need to be on league staff. Seriously!

 

 

Wayne Alofipo

 

 

Just to clarify Golden and everyone else that keeps saying we voted on helping the AA who moves up with a lighter schedule, that was to be effective 2013 season. As well as the AAA champ getting their fee waived or $1000 dollars I believe also to be effective 2013. So enough of that crap being used. Or we should argue for our $1000 if we are retroactively applying it.

 

 

Wayne Alofipo

 

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 Wayne,

You are incorrect right here.  The two agreed concessions to GF were to ease travel as best possible with creative scheduling and to have the Rebels and GF meet at a neutral location, either Pocatello or Logan--scheduled as away games for both teams and at no expense to either team (includes field cost & officials).  Because of scheduling, Logan was ruled out.  Also, keep in mind that the four teams traveling to GF all volunteered to go to GF at the Friday night work session.  Also remember, Logan and Treasure Valley wanted to go to a divisional schedule and play teams twice locally, but Charlie, you and Shock reps voted against it.  The money that would have been used for the AAA All Star game is scheduled to be paid in cash to the AAA Champion ($1,000) for 2012 not 2013.  But the retroactive payment for champions comment doesn't surprise me. We also set a mentor program to help high achieving AA teams to become AAA teams (which seems like a moot point now) and agreed that in the future, the AA champion moving up to AAA would be given scheduling accommodations to ease their transition to the bigger league.  

 

These are actual notes from the league meeting.  All it comes down to is the rules, if they are in place, need to be followed without any exceptions.  It all started with Logan a few years ago, but it needs to be revisited, voted, and enforced without exception.

Golden11 wrote:

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These are actual notes from the league meeting.  All it comes down to is the rules, if they are in place, need to be followed without any exceptions.  It all started with Logan a few years ago, but it needs to be revisited, voted, and enforced without exception.

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HAHAHAHA!!!!!

Ok come on guys...say it like you really mean it. We didn't just give them 100%...we grabbed our ankles with a smile... well the managing board did anyhow! Ooops... I may be banned before Hoop.... BOOM!

ok here we go with another young punk who has the luck to be on a good AAA team, probably doesnt know what it feels like to get stomped by 30+ points game after game ,season after season  let me tell you, for a guy like me who is competitive and hates to lose it was tough to do and come back season in and out expecting the team to be better than the last. Each year we improved and when it was all said and done reached the championship and had a great season. It takes time and a commitment to your team to do so. I agree there are a lot of teams in AA this year and some are good programs and some are ,how you say,recreational? why would you say that?  I was on a sub par team in the AA  for 4 seasons, does this mean I was a sub par player? I led my team in tackles for one season and was in the top 10 in the league for a season as well. I played D Tackle doing so.  I came from a team that used to be the laughing stock of the AA. 1-8 ,1-8, first two seasons i played then 3-5 and then i took a year off and came back,we finished 9-3 and made it to the championshipship,  4 years in the making and it was worth it! I sweat blood and shed tears , I went through pain and dissapointment,anger and through it all I wouldn't change a thing as so many other players can relate to. We all want to win and be champs but i think maybe you should stop talking about how meaningless the AA teams are. You guys in the AAA may have more talent but you are not any bigger or faster or anything better than the guys in AA. I have played against 300lbs guys , ex pro players, ex colege players, Div I and II and III, i have been in two National AllStar games playing against internatonal teams, twice in Las Vegas Nev and in consecutive years, You think the AAA team you play on can compete against a team Canada or a Team England, those are huge guys and many ex pros. These experiences i have had are a testament that you DON'T have to be in the AAA to achieve.   I welcome any responses, and by the way I started playing football for the Snake River Sabercats when I was 35 came back after knee surgery and ended my semi-pro career last year.  Not many guys can say that.    So go ahead and shoot your mouth off some more and go ahead and be on that championship team, I don't know what position you play or how much you play but it's usually the guys on the SIDELINES WATCHING that comment on what is bad or what is wrong with the league. As for me I think it's a great league and i Loved the experience!  

I've played on winning and losing teams. Played with Dixie State (D2) and we only won 4 games in 2 seasons. 2010 St. George Blitz vs. Wasatch Rev, Blitz getting stomped 0-20 at half, come back and win it 24-20. Spare me your sob story when my team and I have been there and have overcome the obstacle of losing. I'm sure there are many AA and AAA that have made the same stride so I actually take them kudos back. You'd get rolled on real quick in the AAA, you along with your international superstar status. Talking about playing against 300lbers, ex-pro, ex-college, D1, D2, D3? You obviously haven't looked at any AAA roster otherwise you wouldn've have posted all that nonsense in the first place.

So here we are again.

A guy from AA trying to compare AA to AAA and me sitting here asking why a new AA team is losing 84-0 their first game.

A new team coming in and losing their first game 84-0 IS NOT progression.

Alright... I cant keep quiet any more... here is the scoop, there are only 2 ways we could have stoped scoring: 1) run the ball 10 yards and take a knee. line up and run the ball another 10 yards and take a knee. 2) put players out of position and risk injury to them and the gaurdians. put yourself in the guardians shoes, is that what you signed up for? how about the league? is that the product you are looking for from us? On another thread it was brought up that maybe we should have just ran dives the entire game. we tried, we were still running them for 60 yards. do we tell our running backs to not run as hard? or our lineman to let guys through to stuff the run? football is a game of instinct and habits. we should not have to change ours to help the other team feel better about the game.

truthfully, the game should have ended at halftime. or even the first quater when we were up 37-0. the issue we have here isnt the fact that we put our starters in for one final drive, its the fact that this team is struggling with some basic fundementals of the game. our D-Line was in the back field every play. our o-line was pushing them off the ball 10 yards (except Reginald and Allen, those guys are beasts!). The question is, how does a team line up for their first game and not understand the basics of there positions. we talked about the league mentoring this year and really trying to help out struggling teams. Did the guardians fall through the cracks? Did they not want the help?

I agree that 84-0 is a rediculous score! I also agree there is a perception that we ran up the score. the only score that was out of line was the last score, when we threw the ball at the end of the game. we wanted some work on our 2 minute drill because we have a dificult road ahead of us.

for anyone who thinks we enjoyed that game, I would ask you if you were ever in a game that lopsided before. it was not fun for us, not fun for them, not fun for the fans. even though I am fat guy, I dont enjoy driving 40-60 yards in 3 plays. maybe once to twice a game its nice, but we all live for the long, grueling drives that get capped off with a score.

Jocko, yes were are a well established AA team, but so is most of the AA now. You have to remember that we lost to an expansion team last year and got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round. I expect battles against the rest of our schedule and I do not forsee any more blowouts by us.

one last comment about the game, I got to hand it to the guardians defense. after halftime, they came out hitting and stopped our drive. I dont know what you guys did during our 5 minute halftime, but take that into the season and try it for a whole game. Focus on the fundamentals of the game and you should make it out alive.

-- Edited by Brace on Tuesday 10th of April 2012 10:06:58 AM

yeah, i was thinking that same thing as i was eating popcorn and watching your "highlight video" from the game. you guys know i love you all. lol. it's just a bad look for a first year team. let's just find ways to help the new teams FULLY understand what they're in for and how to establish better new teams. 

-- Edited by GORILLA20 on Tuesday 10th of April 2012 10:02:11 AM

I wish the "Goondians" the best of luck.  And to the Matadors - don't feel bad in any way, shape or form.  It's football.  Your job on offense is to score.  Your job on defense is to not let them score.  Mission accomplished on both sides. 

Wasn't signed in^^^^^Oops.

I'm with you Stokes...put up 84 on them clowns when y'all meet up with them.......we talking bout the same team right hahahahhahahaa...not the Revs right. Hahaha

Wasn't it Tom Bennett who got mad at the Vipers for putting up 70 on them a few years ago?

Just a question, don't start jumping all over me here..

The Bears dropped 70 on us once..

It sucked.

Only made me want my team to get better...

But what do I know, I just need to leave and start my own league. Right people?

I can tell you one BIG difference in the The Matadors vs the Guardians and the Vipers vs Matadors games. The MATADORS were an existing team that had played together before and to this day still have some of those very same players. It was not their first game entering the league... AND they had handed out a couple 40+ point spread games that season as well...in their favor. So... imo, two completely different scenarios... Certain individuals had no right to get all pissy like they did. So this has me wondering... Should the Matadors have been the team to stand up and Move to AAA?...or are the guardians just severely ill prepared to play organized football?...or..BOTH?

The Matadors have NOTHING to apologize for.

You think when a fatty explodes into the backfield he's going to hold up to give the QB or RB a chance to gain a yard!? Hellz no!!! He's gonna make em pay!!!
You think when a DB gets a pick he's going to run out of bounds instead of taking a well executed QB slide? Doubt it.
I also watched the highlight video and the guardians had zero fundamantals. Brace is right. They were getting BLOWN UP every play. At one point all their D-line dropped into coverage!!! Seriously!?
The real dissaster is the fact that the Guardians were in no way prepared to play.
Part of me feels bad for them, and part of me says that's football.

We'll see how many Guardian players show up to their next game...

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What is Kyto implying??? Guardian players after a hard fought loss (84-0) wouldn't think of inquiring about a merger with another AA team nearby...right???

Also, I just have to say that if-when another team drops 70+ points on an opponent this season, and everyone comes on here and calls them classless...I hope said team simply states the following: "Although we were up 28-0 after the first quarter, we decided to use the remaining time to run drills. You see, we pretended that everytime our offense had the ball we were losing BIG and had to come back. That's why we were throwing it deep, using the sidelines to stop the clock, and running our 2-minute offense...because you see, the 28-0 schwacking we just handed the opponent in the first quarter didn't give us ample time to prepare...I mean it's a long season and there's momentum to be gained every game...right???"

#2minutedrillALLTHETIME

Or maybe he tried Pepsi Next and hated it

Your best team would get stomped by the last team I played on in Vegas sonny! Don't think that your team is better than an All Star team made up from NATIONAL  ALL STARS, most with DIV 1 and 2 experience! I took offense at the statements about the AAA thinking  they have better atheletes than the AA, I used my experience as a AA player to show that there are good players from the AA, don't get all huffy about it and call me gramps, I just wanted to point out that I worked hard and got to play in some really fun games, and just because I said I was in my mid 30's when I started playing doesn't mean it's all me, us older guys have to work double hard to compete with the younger bucks in the league, let's see if your playing top notch when you reach say 36 or 38 then you can relate sonny boy!  Yeah, I can give as well as take, I'm grown and these are just posts guys. So if you guys have something to say than bring it!!

Sabercats lost a few top guys to that 8 man league. I bet there are a lot of teams that it took players from just because of expenses.

Yeah you could say great falls has been catered to,looks like this year as well as the previous two years in AA, They had little travel time and I believe they didnt leave the state of montana during the championship run that put them at 50 wins plus the facy they had the AA championship on their own damn field!  So call, it what you like, its clear favoritism and BS!

I for one was laughing my ass off when I heard the score 49-6 and that they lost at home,I wonder what those fans thought! They were probably still enjoying the opening announcing of players and the remarkable 50-0 win streak and just hearing the offense and defense of those impressive stats roster and then the game started,probably no mention of the other team that lined up on the other side of the field! Or maybe no one realised that happened in the AA championship @ memorial stadium last season, or maybe that was ok cause the mighty great falls gladiators were defending champions, whatever! Maybe the heads of the league will wise up and make it fair this season.  Look into it if you think I'm making this up, I believe all home games for the glads were televisied locally.  

don't know who you are dont care to nicky, but unless you played in th AA you have not seen me play and what do you do look at all the tapes and game films? I thought you AAA guys didn't keep up with AA ?  Don't start crap with me,I just used my personal experiences, just post on the subject at hand, I'm sorry if I offended anybody..............................................        

NO WAIT!   I'M NOT SORRY AND WHO THE HELL CARES WHAT YOU THINK OF ME, I'M DONE AND RETIRED AND LOVING IT!!  HA HA HA HA!  LET YOU YOUNG BUCS BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EACH OTHER!  I will sit back and watch and maybe blog a time or two, seems like we have some thin-skinned individuals who take it personal, how sad!!  nighty night little Nicky # 74 utah shock was it?

My apologies Kyto, you have some impressive stats, I was wrong about calling you a punk, you are def a baller!   And you have some good team mates who got your back, I like to see that in teams, and nowadays it's few and far between.  Again, my bad and kudos to your career, look forward to more posts.  Peace

using the username "mrmike" with no FIRST and LAST name is still "anonymous".

nice work, chief.