I don't get it, Bracken. I'm not even being sarcastic... I'll need a diagram, flowchart, and a Jack & Coke.
1. Would organizations with two teams, like the Stampede, maintain a AA and AAA team but only feed individual players back and forth? What happens when the AA team develops too much and there is no room for a giant AAA squad?
2. If there were no AA playoffs, or subsequent championship, what is the trigger for a AA team to move up? Who would approve or even force it? And the inverse of that... what about the AAA team that really really needs to move down? Forced or voluntary? Honor system?
3. Are you talking about going back to a traveling AA schedule, but only between UT and ID? No AA trips to/from Montana?
If my questions seem stupid, I'd like to point out my previous disclaimer that I don't get it... I'm trying to understand.
Jeremy, the way I see the 2012 creation/re-establishment of a AA Stampede was to let some of the players from last year's AAA squad develop at their own pace (while just playing and having fun). If the Stampede goes into the next season with 2 squads, I would expect there to be some encouragement, from players and team management, for the more "developed" AA players from this year to move up and contribute to the AAA team's success.
-- Edited by dwbaranowski on Tuesday 5th of June 2012 11:05:42 AM
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before you bash me, I thought I would throw out an idea. it would kind of mess all previous ideas together.
AAA would consist of three divisions. Utah, Idaho, Montana
Montana: All Montana teams would move up as one division and stay in tact as they currently are but adding great falls back into the mix. that would eliminate travel, and allow for those rivalries to continue to grow. We all know that the best team out of montana can compete for a game or two in AAA and now they would get to in the playoffs. Assuming they have top record they could even host through the playoffs.
Idaho: this is where guys would make a little bit of a choice. you would assume that the Spartans and bulldawgs would stay, so if you added three other teams Matadors, generals, diggers, sabercats??? then you have a home and home season.
Utah would continue to have its normal AAA squads(minus those who go away) and they would do a home and home schedule unless there were sufficient teams and then it would be a play everyone once and possible cross over with Idaho for a game.
this would then allow the AA to be what it should be.. a place for teams to grow and develop. there would more than likely be 8 teams or so between the two idaho and utah divisions and therefore they would develop without getting discouraged playing the advanced AA teams.
Eliminate the playoffs from the AA or allow the lowest seeded team in each AAA division to enter the AA development playoffs.
I think that this would cut down on travel. allow Brad a platform to grow and maintain the league, and continue to create rivalries and friendships going forward.
In this scenario would the Stampede AA break into another team altogether or would the Stampede rejoin to form a super team again? Cause right now I was told that the AA Stampede were just guys who wanted to play and have fun, that does not count as "to grow and develop" haha/
Very interesting there CoachB. DBararnowski has some good questions too. How many teams do you see in the playoffs of this Super AAA? How would the playoffs be seeded? I do like what you proposed though. Just needs more thought
What about the AA teams that would go up, such as the oilers, and lets say play the Rebels, Rev ,Stealth , or the shock "if" they even stay in the league next year and end up jus gettin smashed every time? Not saying we couldnt compete with them but it is our first year with even a winning record.
If the league did get set this way you would have (I'm assuming) The Rebels, Rev, Shock, Stealth Mudducks, Stampede, and then joining them, (with an option) Oilers, Cobras? Making 8 teams And leave the warriors, vipers, and AA stampede in the AA? In the UT divisions.
ID would be set as Bulldawgs, Spartans, Matadors, Anarchy, mustangs, vikings? For AAA and leave Gaurdians, Sabercats, and Diggers in AA?
I think this would create a lot of traveling for your AA teams from UT and ID and in the AAA would cut down competition a little bit, just my thoughts, Feel free to pick it apart
Remember, no Shock and possibly no Rev next year... 2 UT AA teams moving up only nulls out the 2012-2013 loss of AAA teams.
Bracken, please draft a Constitutional Amendment so that I may read this in prose. This confuses Darrell to the point that Darrell shorts out and starts referring to himself in third person.
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I completely agree with coach b. I think it would be great to have a 3 division bigger AAA. It would de great for travel and competitiveness. I definatly think the flip needs to happen though where we have a bigger AAA and smallerAA(deveplmental league). The 3 division league would be best for travel reasons but could get complicated for playoffs. Heres another idea to be considered though that is simple. say we lose a team or two next year from the league. We move to a 16 team AAA league with a 8team north division and 8 team south division. You have one rivalry team which you do a home and away game with then play every other team in your division once for a total of 8 games. Then do an 8 team playoff scenario with the top 4 teams from each division. Then you have a 10 team AA which you also split into a north and south division with 5you teams in each. The divisions go home and away game with everyonewith in their division. Then you have 4 team playof with the top 2 from each division This would be a simple way to do it and be good for travel plus i think it would make the best competition for everyone. Just an idea to think about. I think we do need a restucture in the league though when it comes to AAA AA
Just wondering if you guys feel that the system was flawd this year, or if you are trying to do some damage control because of the AAA possible loss of teams next year....?
This has nothing to do with damage control, this has to do with the fact that there are a lot of solid teams in this league and since the split it has never benefitted one team to jump up at a time. I truly feel that if there is a major increase in AAA that it will allow us to alter the constitution. We could incentivize those who are in the AAA because it would then truly be the RMFL league and allow for new teams to pop up as development teams.
lets take the guardians for an example.. they proved that there were people who just wanted to play football in Boise area that didn't fit into another squad. had they been in a true development league they yes would have had to travel a little more, but they could have competed against other development teams and allowed to grow and develop. In a few years they would be established and would more than likely want to jump into the rmfl and compete for a championship.
The super teams of the AAA that used to have people nervous to move up are slowly dissapearing which is a good thing for the future of the RMFL because it turns the tide and puts parity in the league. there will always be a top team or two that are hard to beat. But when there are 14-16 competitive teams playing each other it is funner football and anyone would want to take on the big dog once in a while.
I do not know if diggers faced the guardians(don't take this personal gaurdians as you are expected to struggle first year) but I am sure that your team would rather play 8 meaningful games against competitive teams than have a couple guardians on the schedule.
I guess that means you would of had to of put the Boise Generals in the devolopmental league then too. What happens when the next Generals comes along?
I do not know if diggers faced the guardians(don't take this personal gaurdians as you are expected to struggle first year) but I am sure that your team would rather play 8 meaningful games against competitive teams than have a couple guardians on the schedule.
The only reason I ask is because (outside of the Guardians) I feel that this has been the best year in terms of parity in our conference. I don't know if there has been a gimme game for any team. Our record shows a poor team, but there hasn't really been a game that was out of our hands.
In terms of traveling, competition, and parity, this has been the best year we could have had. I am speaking of our conference only, but it has been a fun year.
The one item that I would have liked to see different, even though it has little to no effect on my team or conference, is I don't believe the Gladiators should've been AAA. 4 Away Games X 9 Hours is a rough thing for any person. I applaud them for doing what they've done this season in a losing effort, but I feel that this message board and their ****y attitudes were the soul reason they got moved. And we let our pride step in front of our league's mission.
But for us, it has been a really good year from a competition stand point. I feel very comfortable where the Idaho Division was this year.
Kit, for the first time, I feel that was a very well written post by you. I agree that they should not have been "forced" up. But we need to do something with the constitution. Do we give teams an option to move up? Do we penalize them if they don't? I agree that we can not force teams anymore but there needs to be incentive or reason to move up. CoachB and the Stampede fought it and with this post some could call him and the team hypocrites but he will also tell you that the competition and the camaraderie of the AAA is better then AA.
If we are just here for fun then why do we have playoffs? If no one wants to really compete, why do we keep score? Maybe that is the solution. AAA has playoffs, keeps score and has officials and the AA, who just wants to play, can have 10 games, no playoffs, no scores and will call their own fouls, this way they can save some money too.
What happens when a team like the Spartans are tired of traveling with 20 guys so much and ask back down to the AA? Can the AA teams in the Valley complain more and force the Spartans to stay up in the AAA?
This is obviously a topic that will be discussed more and more as the year goes on, and there is no clear cut answer. However, I do think for the betterment of the league as a whole, that it would be nice to get to a more equal split in terms of the number of teams in each division. I realize this isn't exactly what Bracken proposed, but if we end up with our usual 26-28 teams next year, it would be the most fair to have approximately an equal number of teams in AA and AAA. I think this would allow us to minimize travel using a regionalized structure for everyone and still maintain a healthy balance of competition.
I also realize the biggest challenge in doing this is finding current AA teams that are willing to all make the jump together, knowing that their road to a Championship will be much more difficult come playoff time. However, having watched a lot of AA and AAA games this year, I think the playoff eligible AA teams are probably the strongest they've ever been. I do honestly believe that almost all of the AA playoff teams could compete in the AAA and have a chance (albeit challenging) at the Championship.
I don't have any specific ideas or pre-conceived notions as to what the league should look like next year, a lot of that will change over the next several months, but I do believe a more even split in the number of teams in each division would be helpful for the league.
Deserved-the difference for me between the Glads and the Stampede is location. Otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate on the idea of Glads being AAA.
As far as an incentive....I can't help you out there, other than we are very happy with where we are, and how the season has played itself out...other than being 2-5 right now kinda sucks
