Remember Vincent missed the first 2 games, so his record is really 2-4, not 2-6. Still not great, but better.
If Vincent had played the first 2 games and got average stats he would have passed for 2190 yards had 21 TDs and rushed for 422 yards. I think that would get him the Overall MVP.
He averages 273.8 yards per game add another 547.6 yards to his total yardage and in an 8 game season he would have 2190 yards. He averages 2.6 TD per game passing add another 5 TDs to his 16 and you have 21 TD passes. He also averages 52.8 yards rushing per game, add 2 more games or 105 yards to his 317 yards and he rushes for 422.6 yards in an 8 game season which would leave him only about 80 yards from leading the league in passing and rushing.
As for Sam Thomas, keep in mind he played 2 games without Vincent as the QB and still had good stats. In those 2 games he averaged 9 catches and 134 yards per game with 1 TD, not too bad for a guy that needs Vincent to pass to him. ;) Without Vincent he still led the league in catches and yards.
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-- Edited by Footballr on Monday 24th of June 2013 05:15:11 PM
I debated adding this to Kyto's post but then that one took off in a odd direction. Plus I have posted enough I can do my own highly questionable MVP'S.
MOST. VALUABLE. PLAYER. Defined; I believe we are talking about the man judged to be the most important to his team gaining victory. Also if I could add to that; an individual whom without, his particular team would have been far worse. Now as a sidenote one of the very few things I can not stand about the NFL are the post season awards being voted on at the end of the regular season. So in essence what they are saying is the post season doesnt matter................hmmm. We all know only one thing matters in this game and that is the post season.The season is part of the equation not the whole answer! Kinda like 2+0= 2 however 2+2=4. How do you answer all the equation without all the variables? I may be wrong and I may be the only one smoking my brand but I firmly believe to be league MVP you better make a deep run. Plus it is my F'ing post so I can use my criteria. If you think regular season is what matters good for you. Now we have some criteria to go on lets talk about some candidates.
DEFENSIVE MVP
I like Troy Peterson he is a difference maker and a unbelievable player nothing should be made about his size as he plays like a grown man. However this Shock D was a unit and played as such one guy goes down another steps up.
Levine Tupe, that my friends is a full grown man, without him in the fold the Rebels ran wild on the Rev, last week with him back in the middle the Rebels struggled to run. I believe he is one of few players in this league that other players dont really want to face. Plus he has the stats to win.
My pick for defensive MVP doesnt quite have the stats as the previous two fellows, however when it comes down to it the Rebels defense would of been pourous without Wayne Alofipo. Fact number two most of the Rebels interceptions were likely related to his pass rush. Fact number 3 how many teams dedicated two to three players to block him? And finally poll the five QB's in the league and ask them who they dont want to see on the other side of the ball? My bet is that Wayne is choice #1. Bottom line is he changes an offensive game plan and is the most important player on his own team. If you dedicate 2-3 players to stop one guy in an 11on11 game that says everything.
OFFENSIVE MVP
I have four guys in mind here, JK, Steve Vincent, Sam Thomas, and Chad Draper.
Let us start with everyones favorite son right now Sam Thomas. Best reciever in the league no doubt about it, he blew everyone off the map statistically and didnt even play the whole season???? That is impressive as Kyto has already reported the numbers I will not go into that. Bottom line is without Thomas and Vincent the Stealth are a joke and the Shock are in the championship.
Steve Vinvent because of Vincent, Thomas is even considered here. Ironically because of Vincent, Thomas does not get the spot. As good as Thomas has been, if you have watched the game intently you see ball after ball placed perfectly on him. Not to often does Vincent mis-fire he is incredibly accurate with perfect timing, rarely do you see one of his recievers have to make a circus catch. Along with this he moves well in the pocket, constantly buys himself extra time, and on third and desperate chances are it will be vincent running for a first down. He gets a plus for winning his playoff game and a minus for not winning more than two games.
Chad Draper, how do you replace arguably the most dangerous athlete in the RMFL? How about pulling together a team that lost its top three offensive weapons, only losing two games and going for over 1800 yards and 16 TD's with a 104.9 rating. Thats called stepping up to a challenge!
JK, Kyto you suprise me, No one deserves this award like JK really you think your team would of had the season they had without him??? That makes him the MVP here. Twice the Shock went without him and twice they were as Hooper might call it, offensively sub-par. This man is what makes this team. No other offensive player is so unrepaceable outside of maybe Steve Vincent. He is a leader, a every play threat to score on foot or through the air. On top of that he is probably the smartest player in the league. If the Shock had not lost the first playoff game he would be a lock for another leauge MVP trophy to throw away. As it is he is the Offensive MVP if we are all honest with ourselves how can we choose differently?
OVERALL MVP
Lets be honest everyone is suddenly in love with Sam Thomas and while he is the top reciever in the league by no small margin he is not the league MVP. In my book he is fourth in the running behind JK. How many times did he catch a hitch route and turn it into a 60 yarder as opposed to how many times was a ball layed in his lap on a seam route down the middle? If the safety is not manipulated correctly and the ball thrown perfectly those stats are a lot different. What Im saying is the chicken comes before the egg. This is a two horse race, only two guys brought there team to the promised land, and only two totally changed their teams questionable preseason outlook. Steve Vincent and Chad Draper.
Draper came in to ten new guys on offense plus Tapuosi, he has no true threat like a Sam Thomas or a Mapson. However he does have the best run game in back of him. He doesnt have a real safety valve like a Matt Thorton or a Trevor Jenson. The way he uses the pocket is unrivaled, he is the best pocket passer I have seen in the league in a long long time, not to mention his pocket often looks like a leaky cup more than a pocket. His best point? His ability to take a brand new set of players and put them at the top of the league in offense, turning what was supposed to be a weakness into a strength. That takes tremendous leadership ability.
On the other hand Vincent did essentially the same thing taking an inept team and putting them on the map. The question is what is more difficult coming in late and changing a team or starting from scratch?? This is really a close race and yes the playoffs SHOULD be considered as they are what matters. The two strikes against Vincent: #1 He has Sam Thomas a legitimate candidate for this award #2 and more importantly 2-6.
Only JK had better record than Draper and no one started with less on the board.
Yes Draper to me is the league MVP, what loses me is why that seems to be a none pick for so many other players even if you dont include the post season this would strengthen his position, not that a reciever on a team winning 30% of their games is a bad option....interesting to think about....
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You have no argument from me footballr. If Vincent plays the whole season this whole board is different. Sadly we cannot make up the past we can only relay what happened! Appreciate your thoughts on the subject though it does make sense.
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As for Sam Thomas, keep in mind he played 2 games without Vincent as the QB and still had good stats. In those 2 games he averaged 9 catches and 134 yards per game with 1 TD, not too bad for a guy that needs Vincent to pass to him. ;) Without Vincent he still led the league in catches and yards.
Without Vincent he is still the best receiver in the league. He also does not have a 30% winning percentage??? There really is no argument against them. They are both incredible players but not as incredible without each other...I have been on the Stealth band wagon all year and these two are the reason why!
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We appreciate that stealth love sidekick! We're hoping to get it done on Saturday! I'd be glad to see my running mate Steve take her down. I've enjoyed all your write ups this year. Maybe I can make one final statement this Saturday to pursuade your thought ;) (even tho awards will be out before then) whoever earns each award I'm sure will be deserving. Some solid candidates. Thanks for the support footballr nice to know there are some fans! Been a very fun season! Keepitstealth!
"No loving" "poly bear" "reveling uso" I think you do love Sam. "Rumor" has drifted who you think I am....the quote at the bottom is there for a reason....ever heard of Sybil? How odd would it be if we had a Alias of that nature...however if one was to be running sideways and collided with a train it would be easy to lose ones power angles.....just saying... also no tackles on here please refer to Chad Drapers pocket reference above...
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Lmao...dude I lost more than a power angle...I damn near lost my cleats....damn Tongans!!!
All seriousness though..appreciate the nod for Levine Tupe.....straight up, the man is everything to our defense. We rally around the man...he makes all of us better players...
I know who you are man, and just so you know..me, Angel Castillo, and Jayson Mapu are the true sidekicks...lol
Good luck this weekend.....on your predictions, that is
in my opinion I think we have the best overall o-line in the rmfl , we lead the league in rushing and I'm pretty sure draper has been sack the less also so for you to say the pocket is more of a leaky cup is so disrespectful to our o-line !!!!!!
Draper for sure offensive MVP. I'm pretty sure the rebels o line has played well. The tackles are not the issue. 152 rushing yards a game...? Just saying
