Rocky Mountain Football League

Jess Peterson · Senior Member

Decision on Misi Tupe

fattycoug · Veteran Member

So, now that we are admitting that refs make mistakes, I have a list of grievances. Where do I submit these for review? biggrin

I'm fine with the decision. I wasn't there. I don't know. Now no one can say anything but "Congrats Champion" when we win.

And, if we lose, we can appeal based on ref mistakes wink

I will say that the awards ban is dumb. It just seems like pandering to those you think will be upset by this. To "throw them a bone." Banning him from MVP is just dumb.

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fattycoug · Veteran Member

So, league rules state that if you get 2 unsportsmanlike penalties. You are suspended for a game. Is that 2 in ONE game? If so, the league rules should be written to reflect that.

If it's 2 overall, I assume you are now saying:

A) he can't be given the unsportsmanlike penalty officially after the game, so no suspension (this wouldn't jive well with your decision to give hima fine and take him out of the MVP voting, though)

Or

B) he is recieving an exception on the 2 unsportsmanlike penalty suspension rule.

You can say I don't want to play Misi all you want. I trust my D. I'm just curious how the rules are being applied as we have had to sit a player this year for unsportsmanlike penalties and he had to pay a $100 fine.

Jess Peterson · Senior Member

To clear up some of the confusions about the rules, the constitution states 2 UNS penalties in one game or 3 in one season. Misi received his first and only in the June 7 game versus the Wasatch REV for throwing a ball at an opponent (taunting). The act against the Sting would have been his second had it been penalized.

The REV player you are talking about received 3 UNS penalties. 1 versus the Sting (preseason but everyone was informed that preseason games count, too tired to find the email or post regarding it), and 2 versus the Dixie Rebels, one on April 5 and the other on June 7. After this player received his second, your GM was notified of the rule and I even talked to the player for 30 or so minutes on the phone.

footballfan · Member

Overturning this decision is a slap in the leagues face. I was there and witnessed first hand what happened. You are letting a bully get away with bad behavior he had all season. I wonder how much the rebels owner paid you guys. Misi is a great player, he is their whole team. Also admitting you make mistakes opens a whole other can of worms. So can teams get games overturned because they submit film for bad calls? Your refs have been inconsistent all season, so I guess it is no surprise that you would be now. You guys are a joke. Since you are overturning a decision made by a ref by watching film the it is only fair that you overturning other rulings made by your refs by watching film! eg. If the ball crossed into the endzone.

Golden11 · Veteran Member

This was to be expected. I don't see how anybody honestly thought the league was going to suspend arguably the MVP of the league for the Championship game. The least controversial decision was the one that was decided, and the REV will be ready to play Misi and the boys from Dixie for the 3rd time this year. Safe travels boys and we'll see ya in the swamp.

viper54 · Veteran Member

@Footballfan that's like saying in the nfl, when they overturn a targeting suspension from an appeal, then it's ok to overturn a game. Not even close to the same thing. Its a suspension. It doesn't effect the outcome of the game that was just played unlike if you were to overturn a touchdown. They reviewed it and took their time to make sure they made the right decision. And if you think the rmfl is a joke then why be a part of it?

fattycoug · Veteran Member

That's fine Jess, so that should be clarified on thermfl.com/rules
As it currently says:"Any player or coach who displays unsportsmanlike behavior and receives two penalties for his behavior will disqualify himself from the current game and will be suspended from playing in the next game. Any player can disqualify themselves for a game for actions not associated with playing football. Again, the action taken will be suspended for the current and next game. Fines could be assessed for this action."

This leaves it open for interpretation.

Page 6 of the constitution does make it more clear, though, stating that an ejection for unsportsmanlike behavior warrants a a suspension. I suppose it probably is stated elsewhere that 2 unsportsmanlike penalties leads to an ejection.

Golden11 · Veteran Member

I have another question for the league staff as well. Would it be fair to request (unless it's already in place), for those refs who were involved in this decision, to remove themselves from the Championship game as to remove any emotions or perceived bias by either of the teams?

Only looking at how the decision was made and those impacted removing themselves from the decision, and now taking that same stance in those who were involved in the outcome.

footballfan · Member

Also who cares that he was removed from the mvp list. He shouldn't be on it anyways. I am not denying he is a great athlete, but I thought QB's were suppose to throw the ball? His completion percentage is bad and doesn't have a lot of throwing yards. There are a lot of QB's in this league much better then him with much smaller egos who deserve to be on that list. I mean come on it is all about Misi. If he wants to run go play running back. But no of course he has to play QB. And play defense? Can you say ego!

footballfan · Member

I was saying the refs are a joke. They have been inconsistent all year. Even in a single game they are inconsistent. I like the league that's why I think their decision is bad. And it does in pact the game. Suspending a teams best play would make a huge difference. oh well this will be a good game regardless.

GORILLA20 · Senior Member

OH COME ON GUYS, WE ALL JUST WANT TO SEE THE "BEST OF THE BEST". IF NOT, IT'S NOT WORTH WATCHING.

viper54 · Veteran Member

@Footballfan Even refs in college and the nfl are inconsistent and make mistakes. Its a part of the game. There have been games this year that I have seen some of the worst calls in my life but I expect that. They are only human. You can't expect every ref in every game to make the perfect calls. They don't get paid like nfl refs so don't expect them to be as good. I think there can be a lot of improvement but there can be improvement in everything. You can't be mad because a ref made a questionable call, they review it and make the right call. See what would suck is if the ref made a questionable call and they suspended him and he had no chance to overturn it.

Bradthurber · Senior Member

Golden,

That's a very fair request. I will pass that on to Jess and see what officials are scheduled to work the Championship game this weekend.

dwbaranowski · Senior Member

OK, I laughed a lot...

"... slap in the league's face..." Maybe just a biiiit dramatic with this one. I'm not sure how many players or members of the League Staff or Managing Board feel like they've been slapped in the face.
"... witnessed first hand..." So did many others (including me) in real time and even several times over via film review. Camera doesn't lie. Hell, Sting players even downplayed it in another forum thread.
"... rebels owner paid you guys..." This should make it easier to accept and move on. 'RMFL Owner Bribes Appeals Committee to Re-instate QB'... We're finally making it to the big time as a league. We've got scandals, bribery, and rigged championships. Fat contracts and overpriced merchandise is right around the corner. Lulz.

fattycoug is right... the Constitution should contain the clarifications that normally have to be explained by other means. Oh, and while the Constitution is getting updated, run spell check on that mother------. BTW, fattycoug (crossing discussion boards here)... footballfan is the type of person who would be in the "... woop woop" camp but now he's lost all of him's "woop woop".

Done and done... some folks are fine with it, some folks are not. Ought to be a great game.

RevolUSO · Senior Member

Shiiiiiit who cares.....the Rebels ain't the only one with a Tupe.......

Levine Tupe > Misi Tupe

We gonna do what we do...All gas, No brakes!!!!

BigD 99 · Member

My feelings towards the whole thing was with MIsi or without Misi it is still a hard fought smash mouth football game. Those in attendence will get their money's worth and then some.

Saturday can't get here fast enough. Best of luck to the Rebels Travel safe and may the best team( Revolution) win .... Yeam Im biased in this one

Dustin Reid #99 Wasatch Rev

Sarge · Senior Member

dwbaranowski wrote:
OK, I laughed a lot...

"... slap in the league's face..." Maybe just a biiiit dramatic with this one. I'm not sure how many players or members of the League Staff or Managing Board feel like they've been slapped in the face.
"... witnessed first hand..." So did many others (including me) in real time and even several times over via film review. Camera doesn't lie. Hell, Sting players even downplayed it in another forum thread.
"... rebels owner paid you guys..." This should make it easier to accept and move on. 'RMFL Owner Bribes Appeals Committee to Re-instate QB'... We're finally making it to the big time as a league. We've got scandals, bribery, and rigged championships. Fat contracts and overpriced merchandise is right around the corner. Lulz.

fattycoug is right... the Constitution should contain the clarifications that normally have to be explained by other means. Oh, and while the Constitution is getting updated, run spell check on that mother------. BTW, fattycoug (crossing discussion boards here)... footballfan is the type of person who would be in the "... woop woop" camp but now he's lost all of him's "woop woop".

Done and done... some folks are fine with it, some folks are not. Ought to be a great game.

Thanks Darrell, Ill start working on that. Im sure that we will be going threw it with a fine toof comb at the league meeting. hehe

Jess Peterson · Senior Member

Golden11 wrote:
I have another question for the league staff as well. Would it be fair to request (unless it's already in place), for those refs who were involved in this decision, to remove themselves from the Championship game as to remove any emotions or perceived bias by either of the teams?

Only looking at how the decision was made and those impacted removing themselves from the decision, and now taking that same stance in those who were involved in the outcome.

We are. Since I have been assigning games, I haven't assigned myself to any championship games. Travis asked me to work one but I think it is better to reward the officials that worked all year.

This game will worked by a split crew. There will be at least 2 for SLC and at least 2 from St George.

Dphunk · Veteran Member

I realize that I am not Misi or have ever been a candidate for MVP. However I went through a similar situation last year. I was ejected from a game for "hitting an official." I knew I didn't hit the official, I bumped into him on my way onto the field for the next defensive series. So my GM sent in video of the actual event. The league reviewed it and my suspension was reduced. Good video never lies!

I feel that if a player is ejected and they feel that it wasn't what the official may have called it, then the league should be able to review it and come to a conclusion. Which is in fact what they did in this case.

I feel the league handled this very well. Props to Jess for going through all of that effort.

On a side note, I was watching the NFL's top 100 of 2014 and they revealed Kyle Williams of the Buffalo Bills on their list and I swear I was watching highlights of Dustin Reid from the Rev.

Good luck to the Rev and the Rebs!

Go Shock!

BigD 99 · Member

Thanks man

BigD 99 · Member

I watched that as well his head is about the right size as mine...hehehe

IDAHOBLUE · Member

WOW, what a joke of a league. Who is in charge??

If you think 50% are not going to like the call and 50% are going to like it then you need glasses on. It doesn't matter if 99.9% like it or hate it. It should however be noted what the rule is and this is how it is enforced. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

WOW slap in the face to all referee's out there. You hired him to ref the game for a reason. The ref who you had faith in to ref the game now you don't have his back?? Obviously officials make great calls and bad calls depending on who the call is against. To come out and say this official threw Messi out because he didn't see what happened. Game film doesn't lie. You hired an incompetent fool to ref a big game??? Ha ha ha ha like I said who is running this league??? Why do you pay the ref's?? The ref obviously saw something to warrant a flag and an ejection. PERIOD.

You fined MESSI $50 dollars for a unflagged unsportsmanlike penalty because you can go review it, plus he can't win the MVP award. Wow ok. Great punishment is that in the rule book some where?? You just making things up as you go??

You want to tell everyone that you want both teams at full capacity to have the best game then so be it. Way better than the excuse of

As officials, Dan, Jared and I know that officials make mistakes. None of us have ever called a perfect game. I know that if I ever do call a perfect game, I will walk away from it because I could never get better. Knowing the magnitude of this decision, we wanted to get other officials involved. I reached out to my network of officials that I know and trust. Football officials from the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, Mountain West and Big Sky all looked at this play. None of them saw anything that warranted an ejection. All of them said that #9 for the team in white should have been flagged for removing his helmet. Even one of the officials that flagged Misi said that the film didn't warrant an ejection. This is why we waived the 2 game suspension.

We decided to keep a fine because of the unflagged Unsportsmanlike act of removing his helmet. Had that been flagged, it would have been Misi's second of the year. This is also the reason that we removed Misi's name from all of the MVP voting.

IDAHOBLUE · Member

I watched game film of REV vs Rebels last game and saw where this same guy Mesi took his helmet off and had to be held back by his own players, that was not flagged can I send you the game film and then fine him another $50 dollars and that would be 3 times. Game film never lies another unflagged unsportsmanlike penalty. Makes sense to me now that you have opened this can of worms, and not sticking to your rule book, which you have for a reason until the championship game then who cares make it up as you go.......

JGarrett · Member

^^^^Bitter much?

viper54 · Veteran Member

Right? Hahah

IDAHOBLUE · Member

“Fool me once, shame on you........you wont be given the opportunity to fool me twice!” since Mesi has done this before I guess you have been fooled...

We decided to keep a fine because of the unflagged Unsportsmanlike act of removing his helmet. Had that been flagged, it would have been Misi's second of the year. This is also the reason that we removed Misi's name from all of the MVP voting.

Game film, camera doesn't lie I am sure it's not the first or second time for this offense, just like Ghost probably has said the f-- bomb more than the 3 times he was caught. Hey just go back and review game film it never lies. While we are at it then add a few more BS laws that won't be put into force if it pertains to the championship's teams best player.

Can you imagine the MLB, when A-rod comes back a pitcher who drills him gets a 1 game suspension , that he won't even be a part of. Then suspending the yankee pitcher that drills the player the next inning getting an 8 game suspension.. Sounds like RMFL has taken the stance of MLB. The rules don't apply to some but thats ok 50% will like it that is all that matters....

Can you imagine if FIFA doesn't suspend the CANNIBAL for biting the Italian player and says here is your fine of $10. Why wouldn't he bite again right??? What a can of worms the administration opened up. A better explanation would be cause we all know it's true. Mesi will sit the first 2 games next season, we are allowing him to play to make this championship game the best we can make. Ha ha ha ha nope just not on the ballot for MVP cause 50% will like that plan better then enforcing the white line we drew in the papers that everyone agreed on before the season......

dwbaranowski · Senior Member

Much. Anger.

Let love rule, Brother... just let it rule.

NEXT!!

KytoKhouang · Senior Member

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viper54 · Veteran Member

@Idahoblue go play in the azfl in Arizona and I'm sure you'll love how structured and organized it is lol. This league is leaps and bounds above other leagues.

Lancer64 · Member

If he didn't throw a punch then he shouldn't be in trouble. They reviewed it and found it wasn't a punch so they did the right thing. There is no slap to the face or refs. You have refs making 100k plus a year that makes a bad call. At least there was film on it to change it. And to the people talking about changing other games because of a bad call is just stupid. The game he got ejected from did not change at all.

Sarge · Senior Member

Ok, so i had this long scathing post directed at the Blueman dude because he made a funny at my expense.

I stared at the screen, modified. Had a drink

Stared some more, modified again. Had a drink

Posted. Had a drink

Deleted. Had a drink

What were we talking about again?

IDAHOBLUE · Member

If he didn't throw a punch then why can't he be MVP if he deserves it? Why pay $50?? Something had to of happened? You want to change rules you do it not before the championship game but before the season. A rule is in place that everyone must follow. Oh wait j/k just not the championship game....... It becomes as funny as Obummer administration. All I am saying is the ref that tossed him should never ref another game for tossing a player if he never hit anyone or the guy did something to merit the ejection. Either way he was tossed and the admin should follow there own rules or it opens the flood gate for others....

IDAHOBLUE · Member

Correct rules are rules. Why would anyone let a team get away with this. Fine em suspend em kick em out what ever the rules that everyone agreed upon before the season. I don't know the rules are the penalties for breaking the rules. Don't change a rule just because of who it is. Have a better excuse than Ref's are not perfect. I am saying come out and tell everyone He broke a rule he has the ability to appeal it. As a league we will look into on Monday after the game. Sounds better than the blind man we hired wearing black and white doesn't have a clue of what he saw so we will slap this players hand give some stupid punishment of not being able to win an award (if he deserves it).

Sarge · Senior Member

Kevin,

I know your not affiliated with any team and understand your position and frustration.

Trust me, the staff is doing everything for the betterment of the league not just 1 team.

As Jess said, he did his due diligence on this matter to include getting other officials opinions and the opinions of the officials that night.

Alot can be seen with the assitance of film.

The NFL uses it real time but we dont have that luxury in the RMFL. We use an appeal process.

I understand your comment about "if he didnt do anything then why the fine and MVP sanction"? Regardless of the outcome the decision it wasnt going to be popular so the league tried to find a happy medium,

Trust me being a 24 year Army veteran, I see BLACK and WHITE. you can ask anyone in the league. But ive come to realize that if you dont have any grey then you wont have a league.

If you have any questions feel free to call me.

Camulous · Veteran Member

IDAHOBLUE wrote:
Correct rules are rules. Why would anyone let a team get away with this. Fine em suspend em kick em out what ever the rules that everyone agreed upon before the season. I don't know the rules are the penalties for breaking the rules. Don't change a rule just because of who it is. Have a better excuse than Ref's are not perfect. I am saying come out and tell everyone He broke a rule he has the ability to appeal it. As a league we will look into on Monday after the game. Sounds better than the blind man we hired wearing black and white doesn't have a clue of what he saw so we will slap this players hand give some stupid punishment of not being able to win an award (if he deserves it).

Let a team get away with what?

There was an infraction, a penalty (had to sit out rest of game), and an appeal.

I have it on a pretty reliable source that the officials that made the call that night agreed with the leagues decision after seeing film.

If the Ref's admitted about making a mistake would that make a difference to you or are you just made because it affects your favorite team?

If your concerned about the integrity of the officials then you need to re-read Jess's Post.

"I reached out to my network of officials that I know and trust. Football officials from the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, Mountain West and Big Sky all looked at this play. None of them saw anything that warranted an ejection." .........." Even one of the officials that flagged Misi said that the film didn't warrant an ejection"

A Rev criticizing other teams about rule infractions? People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!

Buhler · Member

"Overturning this decision is a slap in the leagues face. I was there and witnessed first hand what happened."

My response: You were at the game and witnessed it, so you saw everything? You saw what happened in the pile? You heard what was said? No you didnt, we as officials don't see everything (NEWSFLASH!) and sometimes what we see and what we think we see are two conflicting things. That's why there's instant replay in football as you well know.

Sometimes, (and I know you'll find this shocking) we as game officials make bad decisions. Perhaps more often, we fail to put ourselves in the best of positions, or fail to attempt in preventing bad things from happening.

"You are letting a bully get away with bad behavior he had all season. I wonder how much the rebels owner paid you guys."

My response: Ok now you're stating to the whole world that you are clearly biased. Jess, Myself, and Jared had not a single dog in this fight either last week or next week, we don't making ruling based on emotion or bias unlike your forum posts. And for the record, the three individuals who made the final decision, work for the Rebels, and the Sting, and the REV, and the Blaze, and the and the Oilers, and the Elko Warriors, and the Diggers, as well as every other team in this League.

"Misi is a great player, he is their whole team."

My response; Now you're proving that you don't know much about how team sports really work, especially football, even more specifically a team of the caliber of the Dixie Rebels or the Wasatch REV. Both REV and Rebels players will tell you that one great player a team does not make, I don't care how good he may (or may not) be.

"Also admitting you make mistakes opens a whole other can of worms. So can teams get games overturned because they submit film for bad calls? "

My response: No... bad calls are a part of football. Always have been, always will be. Bad calls are not subject to an appeal process in the RMFL, the owners are too smart to vote in such an idiotic idea.

"Your refs have been inconsistent all season, so I guess it is no surprise that you would be now. You guys are a joke."

My response: inconsistent? Funny you should say that because thats what is said about the best sports officials in the world, including NFL officisls and Ncaa football officials, from one conference to the next. It's not as easy as it looks, or as you might seem to think. The officiating has come a LONG way (for the most part) in this league from where it was even 5 years ago. Jess had a great crew on that game last week, and he's done a great job in his final year as Head of Officials.

"You....... Since you are overturning a decision made by a ref by watching film then it is only fair that you overturning other rulings made by your refs by watching film! eg. If the ball crossed into the endzone."

My response: This is a very cute and (not so) subtle comment about a ruling in the REV/Matador game where a certain QB was ruled to have been down by contact BEFORE the ball crossed the goal line. It was a very close play and Charlie didn't get the call. It happens, it's football. The REV scored on that series and got the W. Some calls influence games, some calls dont, some calls cost teams a game, or sometimes even cost a team a season. It happens, refs are human, they make mistakes at EVERY level. The owners could vote in a replay system if they wish but they've chosen not to for obvious reasons.

"Wow what a joke of a league, who is in charge?"

My response: The RMFL is in better hands than its ever been, just ask your owners. Were you around in 1999 when the league was started? I was... it's come quite a ways since then. In 2000, I literally showered at a car wash across the street from the football field after playing the Wasatch Wildcats in Utah because there wasn't a locker room and i wasn't staying the night at a hotel. Trust me when I say that Brad, Sarge, Jess, Jared and the boys are doing a fine job.

"If you think 50% are not going to like the call and 50% are going to like it then you need glasses on. It doesn't matter if 99.9% like it or hate it. It should however be noted what the rule is and this is how it is enforced. PERIOD. END OF STORY."

My response: Wouldn't be the first time (nor will it be the last) that I've been told that I need glasses. Yes you're right, it doesn't matter one bit if even 100% like it. Coincidentallt it doesnt matter that you hate the decision. We made this decision based on what's fair, nor what's popular.

It is noted that rules were enforced correctly based on what the officials saw or thought they saw at the time. Sometimes it's not what you see that can be problematic as a game official, some times it's what you don't see that gets you in the most trouble. I know this to be true from personal experience. Again, there are 22 players in any given play, and 5 officials. RMFL owners needs to strongly consider using crews of 7 (when it makes sense,) CFO West is now using 8 man crews.

"WOW slap in the face to all referee's out there. You hired him to ref the game for a reason. The ref who you had faith in to ref the game now you don't have his back?? Obviously officials make great calls and bad calls depending on who the call is against. To come out and say this official threw Messi out because he didn't see what happened.

My repsonse: Jess, myself, and Jared, all have complete faith in our officials, and yes we have their back. They ruled as best they could have, based on what they saw, but in this case, there were many many things to consider that not one or even two officials could pick up on without the use of film.

Give the officials a break, they all have areas of responsibility, if all 5 guys are watching the same thing that's a problem. Not everything is going to be seen. It's simple math. 22 players, 5 refs. We didnt hang the officials out to dry at all, they didnt have the luxury of wathcing film, over and over, slow motion, focusing on different aspects of the play until they got a broad picture of everything that happened. Football isnt played in a video lab or a comference room, they had a split second look at it, then a few short moments to decide what to do about it. Comversely, ess, Jared and I watched this play in question literally over a hundred times.

"You hired an incompetent fool to ref a big game??? Ha ha ha ha like I said who is running this league???"

My response: We're not calling anyone incompetent, except mabye you. Who's incompetent when YOU can't even get his name right? Messi is a soccer player. It's MISI Tupe that we're discussing. I hate to break this to you, but there's not a long waiting list of guys wanting to "run the league." Feel free to apply.

"Game film doesn't lie. Why do you pay the ref's?? The ref obviously saw something to warrant a flag and an ejection. PERIOD."

My response: Exactly, the game film doesn't lie. Like I said, what the refs saw is only part of the equation, the other part is what the refs didn't see and that's not necessarily their fault.

Before we saw the film, Jess and I stated to each other that it's too bad that Misi would have to sit out the championship game due to the ejection and subsequent suspension but that rules are rules and fighting is not tolerated. Then... came the appeal.

"You fined MESSI $50 dollars for a unflagged unsportsmanlike penalty because you can go review it, plus he can't win the MVP award. Wow ok. Great punishment is that in the rule book some where?? You just making things up as you go??"

My response: Wrong again! Misi was suspended for two games and fined $100 per the rules. That's how the process works, as voted on by the owners... player XYZ gets ejected, he is suspended and fined per the rules. The team was notified on Monday of the Suspension and fine, and in return notified the league that they would like to appeal. Many teams appeal suspensions and fines, some of them send film and other evidence, some evidence gives a compelling picture of why a reduction in penalties is warranted, others just appeal without any evidence at all.

The Rebels appealed as is their right under the RMFL Constitution/Rules/By-Laws and presented very compelling evidence which was reviewed very carefully for several hours on Monday and Tuesday.

After watching the film a hundred times, as well as getting multiple opinions from (what courts of law would call) credible experts, we made a decision that Misi shouldn't have been disqualified, but that he was complicit to a lesser extent for various reasons. The disqualifcation and suspension were overturned and the fine was reduced, not unlike many suspension/fines that have been reduced this year after the appeal process for various RMFL teams, players, Coaches, and GMs.

"...Correct rules are rules. Why would anyone let a team get away with this. Fine em suspend em kick em out what ever the rules that everyone agreed upon before the season. I don't know the rules are the penalties for breaking the rules. Don't change a rule just because of who it is."

Me: RMFL Rules and protocol were followed as I've explained. No special favor given because of "who he is."

"Have a better excuse than Ref's are not perfect. I am saying come out and tell everyone He broke a rule he has the ability to appeal it. As a league we will look into on Monday after the game. Sounds better than the blind man we hired wearing black and white doesn't have a clue of what he saw so we will slap this players hand give some stupid punishment of not being able to win an award (if he deserves it)."

My response: We as league staff aren't perfect. We aren't Lawyers. We don't have a P.R. department to type us nice cozy letters to explain the inner workings of the league and its processes to you, the public. We can't even figure out spell check. Sometimes we say things that we probably shouldn't. I'm sure that next year, all of the owners will vote to increase their league fees by $500 each so that the league can cover such expenses. Jess tried to explain what went into the decison without writing a novel, hes obviously smarter than me. I should have done what Sarge did, have a couple drinks and then delete my rantings.

The bottom line is this. The proper process was followed, player was suspended, team appealed, evidence acumulated and submitted, evidence reviewed by unbiased league staff, staff worked through the shades of gray that Sarge mentioned, penatlies reduced after CAREFUL consideration of ALL of the facts and ALL of the evidence provided.

No one from the League Staff is obligated to explain themselves in this forum as to what happened in regards to this process, so it makes perfect sense to insult them for trying eh? Jess, Brad, Jared, dont get paid to post in this forum. To whom do I submit my invoice for the hours spent crafting this message? You're welcome.

GORILLA20 · Senior Member

BOOM!

footballfan · Member

Insinuating that I was talking about a certain game is ridiculous. I wasn't even at that game. I am was talking in general, giving an example. I could have said first down or out of bounds. Regardless it will be a great game. FYI I am a stealth fan.

footballfan · Member

Ok. If I offended anyone I apologies. I was just getting frustration out. This is nothing against anyone person. I feel a lot of players got away with stuff during games, as is in any sport. Regardless it is going to be a great game. Played by 2 great teams.

Optional · Member

As someone that does not have a horse in this race I want to commend the league for completing their due diligence on this matter, and for even having an appeals process for issues such as this. That shows what this league is capable of and definitely shows the direction the league is heading. My hats off to Jess, and the others involved, for actually taking the time to review film and consult with other accredited officials on this matter. Thank You for the hard work you all put in

Safe travels to all playing this weekend and God Bless

Youalreadyknow · Member

I tried not to say anything but... This is some of the biggest BS I've ever seen. I've heard nothing but BS from the league and it's representatives about this situation. You guys sit and talk about how I got 3 personal fouls that's why I was suspended and Misi blah blah blah... One of mine was in the Pre-Season so really has nothing to do with the season! Secondly, all of mine were reactionary to another player hitting me out of bounds or grabbing me by my facemask and attempting to toss me with it. In which my reaction was to call one a F'n P*$$! after the lame hits me when I'm 6 yards out of bounds and throws me into his own players/fans and the second by telling the ref it's F'n BS to allow the player to grab my mask right in front of him and call nothing... (both of these happened after the play, and were reactionary)I'm quite perturbed with this whole thing now... Come to think of it both of my Penalties came against guess who.... St. George!!! Sounds suspect when you allow them to act however they want and hold the rest of us to different standards.. You've now set the expectation that a player can hit anyone after the play and hell, even throw a punch as long as your "MVP" of the league or just "MVP" of the popularity contest the rules don't apply to you. You talk about "Video evidence" I offered the exact same thing to the league on both of my penalties, to show what actually happened and not the "perception" of the refs that by the leagues admittance are wrong quite often. No-one was even remotely interested in the truth. Now, the league went as far as to send this video to other officials across the nation to "find out how they would deal with it". So yes, i'm feeling some type of way about this. I think when you look at the fact that we all pay to play, EVERYONE should be held to the same expectations. This is surprising to me how none of you see how this affects you as a player.. To many hit's to the head for ya'll to realize the implications here I guess... So let's just clarify.. You swear on the field= $100 fine and half game suspension, without anyone ever taking the time to look at the video. You get in a scuffle throw a punch= $50 Fine and you can play in the Championship cause the league wants a good game.. Hmmmmm... Ya'll been hoodwinked and don't even know it.

P.S. All of you on here talking blah blah blah about how he should just play, get over it ETC.. would be the same people on here straight tripping if it was your game he was allowed to play in... Keep it real....

P.S.S. It's good he plays though so ya'll can see how great the Rev really are.. Believe we'll be bringing that hat every damn play. Personally I'll be setting the edge all day. So everyone come and see how a true team, a family rides together...

ALL GAS NO BRAKES... Da Rev!!!!!

Youalreadyknow · Member

Camulous....You talking about infractions? you mean Jerseys/helmets... C'mon man get real.. Punching someone and having matching uniforms is two totally different things.. Ya hater!!!

-- Edited by Youalreadyknow on Thursday 26th of June 2014 02:44:23 PM

Camulous · Veteran Member

Yo Ghost, ain't hatin just keepin it real!

Just curious, Did your GM submit film to the league showing what caused you to react the way you did?

Did your GM send in an appeal or did you just beg for forgiveness?

i know there were a lot of preseason games. Did anyone else get penalized in their preseason game?

From what I've heard it wasn't just uniforms that was the problems with the Rev. It was money the team owed to the league, unpaid fines, no contact with GM, No updated roster, etc.

Lots of questions about who the Rev are puttin on the field lately cuz roster been messed up all year. Wouldn't be the first time.

I even heard that this year the Rev had an ultimatum to pay by a certain day or forfeit the rest of the season

You still playin and no one saying BS bout that!

Can an anyone else answer these questions? Ghost? Brad? Sarge? Jess? Beuhler? Beuhler?

dozer60 · Member

@ Buhler- Drop the mic and walk away!!! Nobody could of said it better. Buhler hit the nail on the head. As someone who has played all over in this league, I can say that this year the Ref's have been a TONNNN better then in years past.

People don't realize how much this league has improved. Thurber and company has done a terrific job from top to bottom. Are there still kinks in the structure? of course there are. However, this league is headed in the right direction. Don't let a bunch of forum idiot's try to ruin that.

GORILLA20 · Senior Member

BOOM BOOM!

Youalreadyknow · Member

Camulous wrote:
Yo Ghost, ain't hatin just keepin it real!
Just curious, Did your GM submit film to the league showing what caused you to react the way you did?
Did your GM send in an appeal or did you just beg for forgiveness?
i know there were a lot of preseason games. Did anyone else get penalized in their preseason game?
From what I've heard it wasn't just uniforms that was the problems with the Rev. It was money the team owed to the league, unpaid fines, no contact with GM, No updated roster, etc.
Lots of questions about who the Rev are puttin on the field lately cuz roster been messed up all year. Wouldn't be the first time.
I even heard that this year the Rev had an ultimatum to pay by a certain day or forfeit the rest of the season
You still playin and no one saying BS bout that!
Can an anyone else answer these questions? Ghost? Brad? Sarge? Jess? Beuhler? Beuhler?

Son,

If you read my post you would know that I personally offered the game tape for both events. I personally appealed my suspension and handled my own business, for your info kid. I also personally talked to Jess and told him both times I could send it. I actually sent it the second time just to make sure they could see the situation, but because the video was a private one from Youtube Jess couldn't use the link. ( I offered to give him the password to view the video, no response was given)The league didn't care to do the full research in either case, because as you so tastefully stated... "I'm still playing and ain't nobody saying any BS" So, thanks for proving my point. If people don't like you, (really only because I talk ish, play that old school smash mouth football and actually back it up) then your held to a different standard as the people that everyone loves. I don't play football to make friends with everyone. I play to test myself against elite athletes (most of them half my age)ride with MY brotha's and to WIN Championships, period. Only people I care if they like me is my own squad.. Them Revolution boys, my USO'S. You can believe that I get my respect from the players in the league, so I could care less what a keyboard gangster thinks..

As to the issues with money, jerseys blah blah blah.. that's something you should take up with ownership.. Sounds like someone talks to much about us though, that is all confidential between the league and us.. But look at it like this, we came together as a team took care of the money,etc and now we bout to go play a great team in the Ship'. So keep on keepin on...

All in all this is the best league out there and as mad as I am. I have to say I appreciate what Jess, Brad, and all the others who help us play this game we love so much have done for us all.. You have to respect them for all the hard work they put into this..

Sarge · Senior Member

This is some of the biggest BS I've ever seen. I've heard nothing but BS from the league and it's representatives about this situation.

The Rebels GM submitted appeal and film and followed the process

One of mine was in the Pre-Season so really has nothing to do with the season!

Actually it does. All games sanctioned by the RMFL follow the same rules from the constitution. A few players were penalized during the preseason including a lineman from the Rebels

" I offered the exact same thing to the league on both of my penalties, to show what actually happened and not the "perception" of the refs that by the leagues admittance are wrong quite often. No-one was even remotely interested in the truth. Now, the league went as far as to send this video to other officials across the nation to "find out how they would deal with it". So yes, i'm feeling some type of way about this."

I haven't seen any tape submitted by you or your GM (who is supposes to be submitting Appeal if he deems necessary)

"Sounds suspect when you allow them to act however they want and hold the rest of us to different standards.."

Are you saying that the Rev have been held to a different standard than everyone else? If so, then we can have that discussion.

"You swear on the field= $100 fine and half game suspension, without anyone ever taking the time to look at the video." "You guys sit and talk about how I got 3 personal fouls that's why I was suspended and Misi blah blah blah..."

No, You get 3 unsportsmanlike penalties and you get a 1 game suspension and a $100 fine. That means you were warned at least 2 times before being punished!

Against my better judgment we reduced it half a game.

"Ya'll been hoodwinked and don't even know it"

Interesting how quickly you forget when people do things to help you. Remember our conversation at the beginning of the year? Your boy?

Jeremy, I know your a good guy but when you criticize the league (me included) without all the details I WILL RESPOND.

RevolUSO · Senior Member

Everybody shut the fuuuuuuuuuuugg up!!!! *Cousin Junior Miles voice*

Camulous · Veteran Member

Dad?

Sheesh, I was just askin. Thanks for my info.

Couple of questions though. Could you please explain to us mediocre new football guys what "old school smash mouth football" is and how it differs from the modern day game.

You said you play to test yourself against elite athletes (most of them half your age) ride with YO brotha's and WIN Championships. How many RMFL Championship rings do you have? Just wondering.

I'm not a keyboard gangsta. More like a keyboard ninja

Oh you you got my respect. Ive seen you, and your sexy smiley tights. biggrin

Good luck this weekend gangster