#4 Great Falls Gladiators at #1 Laurel Loco Express 4 pm Laurel Sports Complex
#3 Blackfoot Anarchy at #2 Idaho Mustangs 3 pm Idaho Falls High School
Southern Conference:
#4 Brigham Sting at #1 Zion Lions 7 pm Dixie Sun Bowl
#3 Utah Shock at #2 Wasatch REVolution 4 pm Granger High School
Conferences will cross-over and reseed for semi-finals. Ex: highest remaining Northern conference will play to lowest remaining Southern conference (highest seed will host).
Bowl Game Play in:
Logan Stampede at Davis Vipers 5 pm Layton Christian Academy
Gallatin Valley Snowdevils at Magic Valley Bulldawgs 7 pm Jerome High School
If the team's reseed after the first round, wouldn't the Revolution at 7-1 be a higher seed than 6-2 Laurel? If that's not the case, I know, it's what was voted for (several times)...sorry Utah, guess you guys aren't the golden child after all...
So - The winner of the #1 - #4 seed game plays the winner of the #3 - #4 seed game. correct? Then the the Northern Champion plays the lowest seed Southern team? Then?
It was a shot at guys who don't take votes serious and then ask for a redo...and suggesting that Utah teams really aren't that catered to...there's no reason that a 6-2 team in a weaker conference should be hosting the 7-1 Revolution in a playoff game in any round.
What is the point of having conferences if we should be seeding 1-8 across the league? That is the question. If everyone is butt-hurt that the Locos, who won their division, will be hosting the lowest seed in the south, (this reminds me of last year, when the Anarchy hosted the Rebels) then why do we have conferences? Just play 8 games, get seeded 1-8 and this week we would have the Gladiators travelling to St. George. If this is really what people want, then why did something else get voted in? There are more Utah teams than Idaho and Montana teams in the AAA. If the Utah teams want the league to cater more to them, they should have voted better on this issue.
Yes, it is weird to be hosted by a team that lost twice as many games as you, but in the end, we all knew the consequences of not winning your conference from the beginning. Trust me, the Mustangs and the Anarchy are not excited about playing to travel to St. George next week. But we are still going to play, and whoever wins, will show up with 12 guys to St. George, and take their beating. Well, the Anarchy might not... we'll see.
Three of the four Utah teams in the playoffs voted to cross conference in the first round of the playoffs. There just happened to be three Utah teams that didn't vote for that and this format got passed. Cobras and Sting voted for this format and the Vipers abstained. So technically, Utah majority went against this format. Is what it is. Not a team from the North winning a AAA championship. Ever.
I am still curious how people legitimately feel Utah is catered to. This format was suggested and voted on strictly to make it better for the Northern Conference teams. Just confuses me where and why people feel Utah is catered to. We play tougher schedules, can send a 1 loss team on a 9 hour trip second round potentially to play a team they waxed by 40 earlier this year. Yes, I'm biased and nobody cares about my opinion, I know. Just befuddled by some of you people.
Last years 4 conference alignment was by far the best set up the RMFL and AAA has seen. If we would have left it in place, this year would have been more interesting with the schedules based on last years records. If the AAA and/or RMFL stays the same next year, I think that format needs to be revisited...maybe give everyone at the meeting a chance to discuss with their own teams and friends and confidants before the take a vote (just one)...
If the Utah teams want the league to cater more to them, they should have voted better on this issue.
It's not lost on us that some of the Utah teams are the one's possibly making us travel 20 hours to play a team we already traveled to and won convincingly on Father's day weekend.
Mustangs win, they host. Anarchy win they would have a three (and some change) hour drive each way. That's a third of the distance. But yes, one team could face travel. I'm personally pulling for GF just to see what happens when a team is faced with a 13+ hour drive. HaHa!
Mustangs win, they host. Anarchy win they would have a three (and some change) hour drive each way. That's a third of the distance. But yes, one team could face travel. I'm personally pulling for GF just to see what happens when a team is faced with a 13+ hour drive. HaHa!
i don't think Mustangs host just by winning. They'd need some help. The definitely host if the Lionzzzz and the Rev both lose. They could host if GF wins, depending on what happens in the South.
What I guess is the question is if the Mustangs, GF, St George and Rev win. then you have N1-S4, N2-S2. Who hosts the N2-S2? You'd think it would be Rev depending on what the tiebreakers are.
Edit: just saw post below that playoff tiebreaker is: H2H, SOS, Points Allowed. So if Mustangs, GF, Lionzzzz and Rev win. You're looking at Rev and Zionzzzz both hosting (unless my assumption that the Rev SOS is better then the Mustangs is incorrect). Similarly, if GF, St geezy, and Anarchy and Shock win, I'd assume Shock have SOS over Anarchy.
13+ trip for GF just to play the Lionzzzz may be demotivating to beat the Locos, though
-- Edited by fattycoug on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 03:05:08 PM
-- Edited by fattycoug on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 03:16:46 PM
I stand corrected. See what I get for not sleeping and spending all day at the hospital with the pregnant wife after her car accident? I hate you more and more each moment Ken.
Do we reseed all 4 teams left after the first round? Or just reseed within conference, and one team in the North hosts one team in the South for the second round? That is how I understand it. If Mustangs win and GF wins, Mustangs host REV/Shock, and GF travels to Brigham/St.George. If Locos win they host REV/Shock, and winner of Mustangs/Anarchy travel to Lions/REV/Shock depending on Lions/Sting and REV/Shock games.
Unless we do reseed all 4 teams, then if St.G and REV win they both host Northern teams.
Which is it?
-- Edited by blah blah blah on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 03:46:41 PM
I stand corrected. See what I get for not sleeping and spending all day at the hospital with the pregnant wife after her car accident? I hate you more and more each moment Ken.
i think it's rude that you think I'm Ken. He's not the only fat cougar fan out there.
Do we reseed all 4 teams left after the first round? Or just reseed within conference, and one team in the North hosts one team in the South for the second round? That is how I understand it. If Mustangs win and GF wins, Mustangs host REV/Shock, and GF travels to Brigham/St.George. If Locos win they host REV/Shock, and winner of Mustangs/Anarchy travel to Lions/REV/Shock depending on Lions/Sting and REV/Shock games.
Unless we do reseed all 4 teams, then if St.G and REV win they both host Northern teams.
Which is it?
-- Edited by blah blah blah on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 03:46:41 PM
Turns out I'm just an idiot. I wasn't paying attention to what it means to "reseed." The winners in the each conference become seed #1 and seed #2 in each conference. SO, that means the #1 North and South teams host. My bad.
Okay, you had me confused there for a sec! I thought that was what we had decided. Well I am a GF fan this week, BIG TIME!!! haha Good luck Gladiators!! Prove to us this week that you guys are a stronger competitor than people give you credit for!!
Okay, you had me confused there for a sec! I thought that was what we had decided. Well I am a GF fan this week, BIG TIME!!! haha Good luck Gladiators!! Prove to us this week that you guys are a stronger competitor than people give you credit for!!
I think I was just letting my wishful thinking get the better of me. Pretty ticked I'll be traveling on Father's day with my dad in town from Arkansas. It is what it is but it just kinda sucks when you trounced the team at their place that will be the "higher seed" and only lost to an undefeated team by 4 at their place (still not sure why the Champs had to travel to them for the first game- again, no biggie, just a weird deal). Bitch, bitch, bitch, whine, whine, whine. Shoulda just won in St George months ago.
I hate to tell you guys....but if you have conferences you will have better teams traveling at times. It's the nature of the beast and it happens everywhere....including the NFL. Do you think the 11-5 Cardinals or Lions thought it fair they had to hit the road this year while the 7-8 Panthers hosted a first round playoff game? Yea, I know, the Panther beat the Cardinals so that's probably not the best example but I'm sure you get my point. You won't see the NFL making a bunch of changes to their league or playoff formats to avoid it in the future. I personally think the current structure is pretty good and provides the best opportunity to have the best two teams in the championship, even if it means the Gladiators have to travel to St. George after we beat the Locos. No system will be perfect, somebody will always get the short end of the stick no matter what you do....deal with it!!!
Or everyone can forget how all you non Utah folks were trying to argue the Anarchy shouldn't be AAA.. Right Mr. "Blah Blah Blah".?
What do I know...
Are you arguing that the Anarchy SHOULD be AAA? SHOULD the Mustangs? SHOULD the Matadors? We are, and we play to the best of our ability. Sorry we don't give the REV and the Lions any REAL competition, but we try.... If you like Kyto, we can all bid to drop to AA next year, and you power house AAA teams can just play each other. There have been 11 Utah AAA championships all from a few Utah teams. One of which is long gone, another on its way out/merging with another team from a different league... So its not like ALL Utah teams just dominate ALL Idaho/Montana teams. There are 3 teams that are head and shoulders above the rest of the LEAGUE, not just Idaho and Montana...
I was with AA during the playoff talk but I called around and 6 owners along with 3 board members are under the impression that HIGHEST SEED will HOST period. If it comes down to the REV and the Stangs, Rev have the better record and would host. I will have to clarify all this with Brad when he gets back on Friday, but that is the way I understand it.
One difference with the NFL is if the Panthers win the first round, I don't think they host the second round. Maybe I'm wrong but I think they are only rewarded for winning their conference once. Second round is the better record hosts. Same with NBA. So if you want to argue that is what other leagues do, I'm fine with the first round how it is but then shouldn't second round be highest seeds host regardless? And if we were really the NFL, shouldn't the Rev/Shock winner and Lions/Sting winner be playing each other second round? Which we all know is ridiculous but that is the type of reasoning I'm hearing. The league will only benefit from the best 2 teams playing at Weber. Not SG vs. Gladiators or Locos where the game most likely would be lopsided. But really who cares? Let the playoffs begin! All still playing, congrats and best of luck! Go Sting, GF and Rev!
I was with AA during the playoff talk but I called around and 6 owners along with 3 board members are under the impression that HIGHEST SEED will HOST period. If it comes down to the REV and the Stangs, Rev have the better record and would host. I will have to clarify all this with Brad when he gets back on Friday, but that is the way I understand it.
I don't think that is what was voted on at the league meeting. That is probably what some guys would like to see, now that they are facing a long drive next week. But I seem to remember the vote saying top seed in the North hosts bottom seed in the South, and top seed in the South hosts bottom seed in the North.
I know I'm just a fan. I'm a fan from the Utah side. I try to go to a game a week. I have never played in this league, but watching this league one thing this year is how a team made it to the playoffs that forfeited a football game in st. George. To me that's not fair for the Utah teams that show up and played them that wasn't the big 3. That are better than the Anarchy. I just don't think it's right for a team to forfeit and get in the playoffs. You wouldn't see that in the NFL, college football, or even high school football. Show up and play. That's what this game is about.
Or everyone can forget how all you non Utah folks were trying to argue the Anarchy shouldn't be AAA.. Right Mr. "Blah Blah Blah".?
What do I know...
Are you arguing that the Anarchy SHOULD be AAA? SHOULD the Mustangs? SHOULD the Matadors? We are, and we play to the best of our ability. Sorry we don't give the REV and the Lions any REAL competition, but we try.... If you like Kyto, we can all bid to drop to AA next year, and you power house AAA teams can just play each other. There have been 11 Utah AAA championships all from a few Utah teams. One of which is long gone, another on its way out/merging with another team from a different league... So its not like ALL Utah teams just dominate ALL Idaho/Montana teams. There are 3 teams that are head and shoulders above the rest of the LEAGUE, not just Idaho and Montana...
No hidden agenda here-- I think Idaho is holding back the RMFL. That's about the jist of it. Please refer to previous post in regards to why it's best the RMFL splits up.
But then you went on about how we forced teams up, yadda, yadda.
-- Edited by KytoKhouang on Wednesday 10th of June 2015 07:20:32 PM
I know I'm just a fan. I'm a fan from the Utah side. I try to go to a game a week. I have never played in this league, but watching this league one thing this year is how a team made it to the playoffs that forfeited a football game in st. George. To me that's not fair for the Utah teams that show up and played them that wasn't the big 3. That are better than the Anarchy. I just don't think it's right for a team to forfeit and get in the playoffs. You wouldn't see that in the NFL, college football, or even high school football. Show up and play. That's what this game is about.
***IN A SARCASTIC VOICE***
It's actually okay to forfeit in the RMFL.
Please see Treasure Valley Spartans in 2012.
Boise Generals, Mini Cassia Diggers, and Idaho Matadors in 2014.
Oh, and the Blackfoot Anarchy in 2015.
Yay Idaho!
Oh, and it's alright to forfeit because at least it was in the regular season!
SMH.
The RMFL Constitution states, "Forfeits: FORFEITS IN THE RMFL WILL BE AVOIDED, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE! A. In the event, for some catastrophic reason, a team will be unable to field a full team for a regular scheduled RMFL game, every effort should be made to contact the opposing team and the league scheduling authority, via written e‐mail and phone call, as soon as possible. Unless there has been a catastrophic event, a fine will be imposed on the forfeiting team per the schedule below:
1. $750 ‐ half payable to the offended team ($1000 if after Sunday)
2. $1000 in Playoffs‐ half payable to offended team ($1500 if after Sunday).
3. Offending Team will be required to reapply with their $500 deposit"
But --- why does it matter when the punishment is a slap on the wrist?
SMH.
SMH.
-- Edited by KytoKhouang on Wednesday 10th of June 2015 07:23:47 PM
KytoKhouang is right on. To be honest the 5th and 6th teams in Utah division is better than at least the 4th 3rd and the 2nd seed in Idaho. In fact I know the Vipers and Stampede would beat those teams that are in the playoffs up there. I just want to this league to succeed so I have something to watch in the spring.
No hidden agenda here-- I think Idaho is holding back the RMFL. That's about the jist of it. Please refer to previous post in regards to why it's best the RMFL splits up.
We all know you have a vendetta against Idaho. That's no secret. What you have to realize is that it's not the whole state, just certain teams within the state. If you think a split is necessary, then why not a better split from AAA and AA? Put the teams that you don't want to play, and that don't give you any competition in AA. Then you can still harp on them all you want for sucking because they are in AA, like has been done in the past. I do understand that forfeits are only harmful to the league and I hate when they happen just as much as the next guy. The fact that most forfeits have been from Idaho teams doesn't help the image of Idaho teams either. I am just tired of always getting lumped in with forfeiters. I understand that geographically we are lumped in, but all the teams you listed are NOT my team. Different players, different ownership... So don't say Idaho is the problem. You have to attach the real issue: bad team management is the problem. All of the teams on your list, are either out of the league, or have new ownership this year. (the Anarchy being the exception here, their new ownership are the ones who forfeited). So you could say that the teams are trying to fix their problems. bad management in the past has been changed out for new management (once again, exclude the Anarchy here). I don't condone their actions, and I don't want my team being lumped in as taking part in their actions. Just like I'm sure the Lions don't like it when Idaho and Montana teams complain about being picked on, and bullied on facebook and on the forum by Utah teams. Its mainly just Shock guys, but in the end, the Lions guys end up getting lumped in, and their reputation is tarnished.
But what do I know, I'm just a forfeit waiting to happen...
Anyway, we are past that era of the RMFL. Where AAA picked on AA for being scared of playing REAL football teams. That's fine,and probably true.
We need to focus on the real issues, not on dividing the league from itself. Yes, Idaho and Montana teams, as well as most of the teams in Utah, understand that we can't compete with the Lions, REV, and Shock. What would you rather do? Have a 3 team AAA? Or allow these crappy teams to play the REAL MEN of the league? We have a 15 team AAA because the 'Big 4' were tired of beating up on each other, or because they wanted a change of scenery, or its whats best for the league... You guys made good arguments as to why AA teams needed to make the jump. Now we see the effects of it. What do we do Kyto? I think a lot of guys look to you for direction, because of your time and experience in the league, and because you are so out spoken. I don't think that is a bad thing. There are not many GMs willing to put their ideas out there for scrutiny like that. They just wait until the league meeting and vote on what they like best. Is the real solution for some Utah teams to break off to their own league? Or to just purge Idaho and Montana? I think most games between Idaho, Montana, and Utah are good games. Except when the Big 3 are involved, generally.
I have my own opinions on how to fix problems in the RMFL, and teams breaking away from the league, are not part of them.
Single A? Double AA? Triple AAA? I truly understand the league's difficulties and the feelings of the lesser ability teams versus the greater. When a lesser is to confront one of the greater they are already defeated psychologically. It's just a fact of life. Though occasionally the underdog takes a big bite out of Goliath. That rarely happens but it does happen once in a blue moon. ATTITUDE! CONFIDENCE! No mater the consequences, play to win with all of your ability! Instead of getting depressed, get MOTIVATED! Do something positive! AND DON'T GIVE UP! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! To your very last breath! Each person and each team play each other differently. Look for the weak spots and go after it or them. Remember this - A faulty dam can come down.. It all begins with a slight crack! I'm 70 years old and played a lot of baseball and football during my younger days and I came up against some very stiff opposition. But, there were times when the teams I played for (underdogs) prevailed! If I were in better health I'd be proud to step on the field and give it another shot at proving my point! Back then we played for the love, just as I know all in the RMFL do today. Get inspired and lets play some football!
What it comes down too Blah Blah Blah is why does the RMFL have a constitution and by laws if it's not being followed????? Brad, Jess, Sarge and Jared can only do so much but it's the owners that need to take the responsibility in making sure that the governing rules are being followed. A Forfeit team makes the playoffs when the schedule was out in February first of March?? Kyto has always been about the league and has even put the league over his team and volunteered us to go on these longer trips to Missoula and Great Falls cause nobody else wanted too (not that we care cause we know how to have fun) cause he thought it was the right thing for the league to make it better. SO why should he care anymore when apparently everyone else isn't???
My own personal prediction is that this league will be gone in 5 years due to lack of commitment and field issues? I work for the School district and they want nothing to do with the RMFL cause of shady owners and players who trash or disrespect the field or school. If things don't change to where the league doesn't start looking like an actual league, there won't be one cause "NO ONE" is going to put forth the time and effort to keep it going?
Trash talk is part of the game as well, whether it be on the field or internet. If you get your feelings hurt over that then you have more issues to worry about then playing the big 3.
I agree 100%, owners need to be held accountable for the actions of their players. If Utah teams can't get fields because players disrespect the locker rooms (home or away), then the owners of the team need to be held accountable for this. Same for forfeits. We had a chance at the league meeting to change how forfeits are dealt with, and the only change that was made was the fines were increased. No one mentioned anything about ineligibility for playoffs, hence why a team that has forfeit is in the playoffs. Its not part of the punishment. Is that right? I don't think so, but the rules say the team is only to be fined.
We are walking down a fine line, between teams not wanting to pay more in league fees, and having to pay league officials. If you want better regulation, you need to fork over more money so the league can hire more league officials, or be able to free up more time for the current ones that are working on the board already. Wasn't it Sarge that said in week 6, his pay had run out. He felt by that point he was just donating time by that point. He didn't feel like a paid employee anymore, but a free babysitter. You can't expect top-notch league officiating like what the NFL has when you are paying $1,500 league fees. I think the teams in this league are getting a bargain for the amount of organization we get, for what we pay for. (this is not a shot at board members. I think most of them are doing a great job, I'm just trying to prove a point).
So where do people see the league going? Growing? Shrinking? Splitting? Staying the same? I think there are different mindsets in the league, and that is what is hurting the league right now. Some teams just exist to let old fat guys re-live the old glory days. And other teams are out to improve their community, and grow a profitable franchise. Maybe that should be the difference between AA and AAA.. If you care about the image of your team and the league's image, and want to start turning some what of a profit, or just break even, you are AAA. if you just wanna play ball, and don't care to grow your name, AA. If you just wanna tear up locker rooms, WWFL.
And yes, I do have some issues... haha but its not because of Kyto. I like Kyto, I think he has some really good ideas, and I know he is just super frustrated that no other GMs are getting on here and speaking up about the issues. Like he said, this league is essentially a rec league. No one should be taking it that serious as to get offended by what people say about them in a forum... Not saying I've never blown things out of proportion on this forum in the past. But I try not to anymore.
-- Edited by blah blah blah on Thursday 11th of June 2015 10:40:06 AM
Dude, you're hurting my feelings.